175 thoughts on “Pitt vs Syracuse BB Game Thread”

  2. Ah, Yes we are.

    Should win today against a weak Cuse Team. Take Pitt getting points. Not sure how many but if more than 11 then take them.

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  3. Duquesne lost today on a last second 3 by #24 URI in an road game this afternoon.

    UPitt I think Pitt is getting 10 points. I think Pitt covers today but loses. I believe Wake is currently considered their last best chance for an ACC win in 2018.

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  4. Shameil Stevenson is light years better than Chevy Troutman as a true freshman.

    Brown as good as Aaron Gray as compared as true freshman or better.

    Stewert is a better shooter than Ramon, Patterson, Johnson etc as when they were true freshmen

    Carr is as good as most when they were all true freshman including Knight. Maybe not Miller

    Too many comaprsions with the finished prducts instead of when they were all true freshmen

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      1. Indeed. If those guys had played the minutes of these guys they’d have looked better.

        An effort in futility trying to compare players from the present with those of 7-15 years ago.

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      2. Exactly Jack and these kids shouldn’t be playing as much either. That’s why it isn’t fair to judge them.. Still think the players I listed will be the makeup of a very good team if they stick together.

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  8. Ike,
    I don’t see Stevenson ever getting to be as good as Troutman became.
    Brown will end up as a backup if any recruiting is done.
    Stewart waynend up decent. If he becomes as good as Jason Mathews was that would be great.
    Carr has tons of potential, could end up better than most of our past point guards, and we have had some good ones.
    KS should be as good as Evans, he got lucky when he arrived to have a great bunch of talent waiting for him. He did such as great job here, no one touched him since.

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    1. Carr isn’t a point guard. He has averaged nearly as many turnovers as assists all season. Stallings has actually tried to have other guys handle the playmaking duties (Luther, WF, Stewart) because of Carr’s deficiencies in the role. In addition to that he’s a poor defender.

      Carr doesn’t even register as a shoot first PG or shooting guard given how poorly he’s shooting over the last month+.

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      1. Agree, Carr would have to drastically improve his shooting skills from outside to play 2 guard. he’s at the bottom of the acc in assist/turnover ratio. 1.1 to 1

        He’s loose with the ball for a PG and again he has no shot from outside. If he can’t get to the rim, he isn’t going to score. He did against the Mount Saint Mary’s, wont in the ACC

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    1. And not very well might I add. He was responsible for one sack in his 2nd series. Never saw the field again after that in the 1st half.

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    1. lol….really. You would think old BigEast rival like Syracuse would garner one of the largest crowds of the year.

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  15. Boeheim, like Otis is an old-time in the Coaching Fraternity…so this could be the game….Otis gets to win one.

    If not, it could be at UNC, where Coaching Mentor Huckleberry Hound is, Unlikely as that seems.

    Cuse didn’t seem to score at will, in the last 3-5 minutes of the last game so……

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  20. One of the best, if not the best, BB game of the season ended a few minutes ago. Virginia beat Duke at Duke by two. First win by Va. at Duke in 21 years.

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  21. Can’t watch this one but seems like WF is the only guy really putting the ball in the hole. Dismal shooting otherwise.

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  25. I decided to work in the yard. Beautiful day here 65 degrees and no one stealing 2M+ a year in my yard that looks like a geritol model. I have no idea the score but would bet we cover and lose by 4-5.

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  27. Our bigs don’t catch the ball well under the basket. It’s lyke they don’t expect to receive it until they venture out past the 3 point line…

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      1. No problemo bro…had to click on the alternative stream button,,,cause it went to a static ESPN ACC network screen. They must have found that site.

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  40. what’s funny is you play a little 2-3 zone on these kids and suddenly they aren’t very good. It takes away their athleticism advantage.
    Which is why Cuse’s zone always gives teams fits in the NCAA’s.

    Why more teams don’t play zone is strange.

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  42. Otis has been using Zone too, since the ACC started since we can’t man up. Every one of our players is a worse athlete than the one their facing.

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  51. Every once in a while they go in…or they are total bricks. But they keep throwing them up, there is
    no attempt to get the ball inside or even get wing shots.

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  54. A Pitt dunk to tie the score at 38 with under 10 minutes to go. Very similar to the last cuse game at the Carrier Dump when Pitt finish the game with a cold streak, losing by about 14 points.

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  59. pitt is 6 for 27 (22% ) from 3

    cuse is 16 of 50 fg
    Both teams stink, worst I;ve ever seen Pitt & Cuse at same time

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  60. These are two AWFUL teams. Um rooting hard for Pitt but win it lose we are BAAADDD!

    …and Carr is no point guard.

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  62. Ground hogs day. Ground hogs day Ground hogs day. Ground hogs day
    Same garbage play every game. What amazes me is how far down Syracuse had fallen.
    Wilson-Frame is one of the worst chuckers I have seen in years.

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  63. That tall kid for Pitt playing Center needs to get in the weight room…he get’s bodied to oblivion underneath

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  65. The Panthers youth is often mentioned. Is a players shooting ability really going to improve much if they can’t shoot now. I can’t see this getting any better.

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  67. KS has 2 time outs left with one minute to play. Cuse with their largest lead of the game at 7.

    Three possession game – – why not call a TO to set up a play you know your guys are gonna score…

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  73. Why call a time out when it wouldn’t make a difference what play is called?
    Our genius of a coach calls time out with 29 seconds on the clock down by 6.
    Heather poopsie you have only one choice, say goodbye to Otis.

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    1. Yes we took Pitt today. Closer to our goal. We will not take them on the road next week at all.

      Stallings is he worst coach I have ever seen. He is 2.1M overpaid.

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  81. would have liked to see more of the Pitt cheerleaders in those new outfits…hell with the joke of a game.

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  82. Final shooting stats:

    Pitt was an offensive….. 18 baskets of 65 shots for 27.7%

    Cuse was slightly better ……19 baskets of 54 shots for 35%

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  84. He said we’re ‘improving’. Right….we avg 55 ppg in ACC and that’s what we scored. And shot 27%.
    Yep we’re improving !

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  85. I thought the Oakland Zoo represented well today? Well at least from my TV perspective.

    With Luther, PITT would have won a couple games by now. I hear he wants to come back for his medical redshirt next season? He’ll do more good for the PITT BB team next year than he could have this year. imo

    I thought I heard Fran and Scooter rooting their team on. True PITT fans! iek… H2P!

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  86. From the PG:

    Commentary: Terrible attendance might force Pitt’s hand on Kevin Stallings

    The three things that generally get a college coach fired are losing, personal/NCAA trouble or lagging attendance. One of those things is hard to overcome, a combination of two or more is absolutely the end.

    That’s why Kevin Stallings, despite only being in in Year 2, should be worried. The team not only is bad, as most predicted, but not really even competitive in the ACC, and Petersen Events Center is virtually empty most nights

    Can’t happen soon enough !

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  87. Watched the first half and went out to hit golf balls second half. I could describe for you in great detail the many fundamental mistakes Pitt’s D3 players make on a regular basis but most of you played or coached so you know.

    I would like to touch on a killer problem in shooting, especially 3’s.
    I’ve never seen such awful form in my life on long range jump shots by Pitt. There’s a reason they’re not going in. Drifting R or L or worse fading away ( which looks cool when it goes in but prevents following up after a miss) elbows flying out all over, looking elsewhere than the rim while shooting…. just a few. Kills them from The FT line also. Glad to see you folks not getting as worked up.

    Not worth it w this bunch.

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  88. Luther will want to come back because he has no other place to go ike. I like the kid and all, but if you are relying on him to better your team, you are in trouble. He is at best, a complimentary player. Unfortunately, there is nothing to compliment.

    I take it we lost today. This is beyond pathetic. Lyke better can the coach asap. Maybe she should take all of our coaches and put their names in a hat individually. On separate sheet of paper, put each sports name on a piece of paper individually and put them in another hat. At that point, pick a coach name and then a sport name and let them coach for a month. The results could not be any worse.

    Okay, I am kidding, i think. Maybe i git that idea after watching trading places with eddie murphy, over Christmas.

    Howland and Dixon destroyed the cuse because their slow, patient, seam passing offense works against a 2-3 matchup zone.

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  89. Former Pitt greats Jerome Lane & Charles Smith were honored at today’s game.

    Lane had this to say about the current state of the Pitt bball program.

    Lane and all-time leading scorer Charles Smith, also a prominent figure in Saturday’s letterman reunion, were both McDonald’s All-Americans when they signed with Pitt in 1984. Together, they helped lead Pitt to a 49-15 record their final two seasons.

    “I watch ‘em every time they come on. It’s a disappointing year,” Lane said. “I know we’re young, but you just see a lot of pieces that’s not Pitt, you know what I’m saying? We were dominant. And this team right here’s just not strong.”

    “There’s somebody out there that can pull somebody in here if coach Stallings can’t do it. That’s what you gotta do,” Lane said. “You gotta get somebody up there that can get those great players to come here. Hey, just think about this: When we first got here, Pitt was a football school. We turned it into a basketball school.”

    We had McDonald’s All-Americans play for Pitt at old rickety Fitzgerald. Don’t tell me we can’t recruit them now in the Palace of The Pete.

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  90. And none of them were from the Pittsburgh area.

    Charles Smith was from Bridgeport Conn.
    Jerome Lane was closet from Akron
    Bobby Martin was from Atlantic City, NJ
    Brian Shorter was from Philly
    George Allen was Mister NYC in hoops
    Curtis Aiken was from Buffalo

    So this excuse i hear sometimes…that Pittsburgh is not a hot bed of bball talent.

    So what !

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    1. IMO, this program start going downhill circa 2013-3 when the NYC/NJ pipeline was broken. Pittsburgh was the ideal place for them … an urban setting yet much more constructive than where most of themgre up

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      1. Right, I didn’t list them cause they weren’t McDonald’s All-Americans or 5 star players like the others.

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    1. Huggins … there is a guy who maintained his program. What did Dixon do? Whiffed on three kids who went to PSU after Jaime had gone to the NCAAs 10 times in 12 years. Carr, Stewart, Watkins, Cam and Ryan would be a nice starting five. That isn’t even dreaming big as a fan.

      Sad and pathetic.

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      1. Why is Dixon here again? This is Stallings’s program.

        Who is Watkins?

        Carr and Stewart were a combined 6-21 today and 4-14 on 3s. Carr is now shooting 41% and Stewart is now shooting 39% on the season.

        I understand Luther is now a legendary Pitt player, but I don’t believe that he has ever started an ACC game before. I could be wrong….

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        1. Those two are better than what Pitt has now. Much better. If they stink then Dixon had no backup plan over them. Or maybe he did in Manigault and Kithcart, two gems.

          Konate was in his backyard and Dixon hesitated to pull the trigger.

          What a joke. No wonder this program sucks now. What program has to start over without being given the death penalty.

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        2. Watkins is averaging 13 and 10 for PSU. I was talking about Carr and Stevens from PSU (wrote Stewart by accident) both picked PSU when Dixon should have reeled them in.

          We’d be so much better with those guys and Konate.

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  93. That was the best team money could buy!
    Problem is th is is the most unathletic group of kids ?I’ve seen in a long time. I mean seriously, look at them from that view. Is their a really good athlete out there?? Lack of athleticism is stunning.
    Also, as bad as Stallings is, is there a more overrated coach than Jimmy B.?? We talk about Jamie’s schedule, but they were meatgrinders compared to Jimmys average OCS. Heck, a lot of years he never left home, or the state of N.Y. He is my definition of a overrated coach. And he had to cheat to get what he did get.

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  94. Well Huff, Luther did lead PITT in points and rebounds. The best of the worst or the best because he was the only leader with experience?

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  95. Another story on the PG…about Otis being ‘sensitive’ to criticism. Can someone post that in it’s entirety since I don’t subscribe to the PG and I’ve used up my allotment.

    I’d luv to read what this j*ckass is complaining about.

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  96. I’ve been saying this since this Hess’s Salesman was hired.

    People wake up. We were relevent once.

    Ike – At best Luther is a ACC Bench player. The reason you think higher of him is comparing him to these D3 guys.

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  98. Nevermind on PG article request. Got in incognito mode. Really a story about nothing.

    Since Otis is a big ZERO !

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  99. These kids should be jelling as a team by now. They seem to still be wandering around playing street ball. That is on the coaching.

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  103. What ever happened to…………. Below is the original idea of why and how the POV was conceived. It’s obvious how fertile Reed actually is.

    “This blog is primarily about the University of Pittsburgh’s FOOTBALL program and is intended to throw a little light hardheartedness and kernels of info to make you think and view that is a different light.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I think it should return to that premise.

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  104. WVU on National TV destroying Kentucky in front of sold out crowd. Compare that to Pitt being 0-9 in ACC, a Samsonite Luggage Salesman as coach and 398 acrually watching the game.

    #WakeUpLyke

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    1. Okay Ike……Let’s talk about how bad Narduzzi’s Recruiting is if that is better. He can’t smell a 4 star.

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  107. Pitt is now a Volleyball school. We fans allowed this to happen.

    At least we didn’t join the B1G Joke conference.

    Calipari doing his best huggy imitation.

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  108. The orange were probably 20% of the crowd today, less the Zoo.

    The Zoo showed up and tried, but they are not stupid.

    This was one of the worst exhibitions of basketball that I have ever seen.

    Unfortunate that Pitt will be unwilling to admit their mistake and cut their losses.

    Poor outside shooting and no power underneath.

    Too many turnovers and defensive lapses.

    A coach that has won 4 times in ACC play.

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  109. Ike, take a hike. Go on the other thread if you don’t like BBall talk.

    Pitt used to use its BBall program to help recruit football players.

    Narduzzi won’t go anywhere near the Pete for the foreseeable future.

    It wasn’t that long ago that we had both teams in the top twenty, a select group.

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  110. Let me tell you about a story about a man named Pumpkin Head
    A Pacific Northwesterner who wanted to make the Pitt Athletic Department Dead.
    Then one day when he realized he sucked he hired Stallings cause he didn’t give a **#$@

    400K they said, to his buddy Todd,,,, Turner it is…..

    Sing to the Beverly Hillbillies Beat.

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  111. Just tried to listen to KS postgame interview – turned it off after 6 minutes and 60 ums.

    Sad that the leadership at Pitt allowed this coach to even be on the list of candidates, let alone be hired.

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    1. That Moron says Um every 2 seconds. What idiots (Stallings/Gallagher) would hire him. He sounds as intelligent as a goat.

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  112. NO BS….. THe Blather has a Basketball Gameday Feed and it has 1 comment. 1! That is what Barnes, Stallings and Yes (Lyke) is now the AD have created and Heather is maintaining. Puppets keep mouths quiet for that 350K a year. Sad. Heather has this on her hands now. She obviously can’t hire, I have heard nothing of her fundraising, so what is she doing other than printing bogus awards and giving them out every commercial break.

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  113. So Reed is not allowed to have a basketball thread on his blog? Did you read the heading on this thread?
    Participation is voluntary.
    I’m not taking the bait on your other nonsense.

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  114. Panther Blues
    For Pitt’s:

    Men’s Basketball Team
    Men’s Baseball Team
    Women’s Basketball Team
    Men’s Soccer Team
    Pitt’s Wrestling Team
    Pitt’s Women’s Soccer Team
    Pitt’s Women Softball Team

    (good thing we don’t field lacrosse or field hockey teams)
    (just substitute Panthers for Deacons)

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  115. Ike.

    Silliness. Talking WVU sports is completely appropriate, in the context of comparing them to Pitt.

    Additionally, the POV has evolved to include basketball. If you don’t like that, just don’t read those threads.

    Finally, no politics, please.

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    1. Well Jay, let’s hope it doesn’t evolve into politics. I’m a union man and principles are where I come from…

      Happy you’re down off the mountain. Hidden Valley? Seven Springs? Laurel Mountain? none of the above?

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  116. Oh, geez! We are talking Pitt athletics. Just because ?Upitt uses hyperbole doesn’t mean his message is wrong. Facts back up this is a very bad team and showing no improvement. Fair or not, ?Heather jumped into the deep end. No one twisted her arm to take the job. She now has big boy problems which aren’t going away. Most programs are a mess. Sorry, but it’s now her mess to clean up. No one said it’s fair.

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  118. Wow, we’re arguing blog content in a hoops thread and when Reed’s latest post currently has no known connection to Pitt.

    FWIW, I am cool with anything Reed posts.

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  119. Jerome Lane interviewed in the PG today:

    But Lane also offered some candid commentary: One thing he doesn’t love is the current condition of his old program. He still follows the team, but like many others, he’s less than thrilled with its struggles in coach Kevin Stallings’ second season.

    “I watch ‘em every time they come on. It’s a disappointing year,” Lane said. “I know we’re young, but you just see a lot of pieces that’s not Pitt, you know what I’m saying? We were dominant. And this team right here’s just not strong.”

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  120. Sorry missed this part “There’s somebody out there that can pull somebody in here if coach Stallings can’t do it. That’s what you gotta do,” Lane said. “You gotta get somebody up there that can get those great players to come here. Hey, just think about this: When we first got here, Pitt was a football school. We turned it into a basketball school.”

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  121. Kentucky w 6 freshman starters comes back from 17 down. The disgrace which is Pitt Basketball is on Gallagher and the BOT who allowed the hoax hiring of KS to occur. Hope that MSU takes Heather, her yellow blouse and 4 cases of Fantas. Let’s clean the slate and start fresh.

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  122. @Ike – not to pick a fight about the blog. The word primarily seems to mean mostly and I think that if you add up the columns and the content, it is primarily about football. However, talk of the AD covers all sports.

    Also, it is the down time for football until LOI day and spring practice. Many on here played multiple sports back in the day so to have a good conversation about hoops seems appropriate. Heck, we even talked about wrestling on here…um, when it um….seemed to be a hot topic. Not sure who brought up wrestling, but it was fine.

    Throw it down Jerome! Every year of mediocrity is a year you lose connectivity to the great players of the past and the alumni and future students. My favorite player of the great basketball era was Demetrius Gore. Dude was just “baaaaad”.

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    1. Huff, with all due respect friend, c’mon, the only times I have have read about PITT wrestling on the POV is was when they are being bashed. It’s nonsensical and is out of place on a PITT football bog. imo

      On another note, Dr Roy Chipman once said concerning Gore. He’s a good player and could be better once he figures out that you don’t get more points for degree of difficulty. or something along those lines.

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  124. Using SOME posters’ logic on here Jerome Lane isn’t a Pitt fan because he’s unhappy with the direction of the program.

    Some people just don’t get it..

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    1. I respect the fact that he doesn’t feel like he needs to speak well of the program and can speak his mind. This season of horrible basketball is changing me.

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    1. And are you trying to say we’re not supposed to talk about basketball? I hope I’m misunderstanding you.

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  127. “Let’s hear it for the band”

    -credit Upitt for posting that as it is stuck in my mind far worse than that stupid song you can’t get rid of….

    “F. U. Scott Barnes” and every person associated with his ever being at Pitt – THAT is stuck in my head too…

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  128. You guys need professional help.

    I’m deleting the references to politics. First warning on being banned, I’ll do it if you drag politics onto here or if a post is racist regardless if it has been coded or not.

    I’m serious about this fellows…

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