POV’s Pitt vs VT Game Thread

“The time has come” the Walrus said, “to talk of many things: Of shoes and ship and sealing wax – of Pitt football and kings…”

Pitt football most of all.  Here is your official PittVirginia Tech game thread and here are the ever-enjoyable “Game Notes” for Pitt’s Media Dept.

I’ll be in the Press Box tonight so should be able to chip in with observations as we slowly beat VT into the ground with our running game…

Have at it and enjoy – but make sure to read Dan 72′ BB price I just posted earlier this morning.

469 thoughts on “POV’s Pitt vs VT Game Thread

  1. I understand the frustrations – I do.
    But please, some of you are puzzling.
    @upitt – please explain to me your feelings on Arkansas getting flat out demolished last week by Auburn. You’ve brought up Arkansas and Bielema on the Blather several times over the past couple years citing them as an example of good coaching, etc. 56-3 with his guys! What’s your take on that? Honestly, I’d like to hear it because last I looked we haven’t lost a game like that since I was attending Pitt and in your eyes Pitt is the worst program in the NCAA.

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  2. ^^^ And BOTH Dane Jackson (6-foot redshirt frosh who looks taller, and oozes speed) and True-Frosh Damar Hamlin (looks the part already at his what…160 pounds?? Give him 2 more years in the weight room then NFL) are going to play-out the rest of this season and Grow . Both are going to be Ballers .

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  3. DK – I’m not sold on the “Wade to free safety” talk. The Earl Thomas I’m familiar with is 5’10”. Mathieu may be on the short side, but he played corner, not free safety, at the college level, and played it very well (when he actually played and wasn’t dealing with off the field issues).

    Of course, who knows where Wade will wind up. Let’s hope he makes a similar decision as Revis and picks Pitt so that he can play early and turn himself into a first round NFL draft pick.

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  4. Something to think about. We all know Narduzzi likes to play man-to-man and let his corners out on an island — and they’ve been torched all year. So people have been calling for a switch in scheme to offset the weaknesses. But think about this. Narduzzi’s out there recruiting guys to come play for him and his D style/scheme.

    Guys are coming in and learning the system each year and getting better with hopes of seeing the field. How can he practice with his team and teach these FR and SO his D so that they can grow into it if we aren’t playing it now?

    How can you recruit classes of guys to play man and LBs to fit your scheme and then have them come in as FR and learn/practice/play zone or different schemes and continue to have them develop in those schemes for 2 or 3 years because the upperclassmen aren’t quite up to par on playing your man-to-man style?

    Where’s the balance there? I’m not defending anything or any side. But it’s something to think about. Look at the growth and development young players show from one year to the next. He’s grooming these younger guys (his recruits) for next year and beyond. Unfortunately, the only way to get better and learn it is to practice it and play it and develop.

    Guys can’t do that if they are suddenly playing zone all the time. Development of these guys would be hindered. Maybe it wouldn’t matter if we had a D backfield of superior athletes – but we don’t. Growing pains I guess.

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  5. I agree with you JJ. It’s part of the process. It just hurts because the O is putting up a lot of points and the losses have been close, so you get a lot of “what ifs”. I’m glad they burned Hamlin’s redshirt, get all the kids some experience. Pitt doesn’t have the depth to redshirt folks.The games are entertaining and the future looks bright.

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  6. LOL, From a Dude here who followed Earl Thomas since he was at Texas until he came into the NFL:

    Earl Thomas “listed” at 5’10” , 200 now at age 27 : http://www.nfl.com/player/earlthomas/2508080/profile

    Lamont Wade, “listed” at 5’10” , 190 as a 17-18 year old: http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3344522/lamont-wade

    Both are 5’7” – 5’8” but Elite Physical Athletes in terms of both Explosive-Speed, and Power. Lol “The Internet” also says Brad Pitt is 6-foot tall lol. If **@Reed becomes a National-Celebrity the internet will say he is close to 7-Foot 🙂 🙂 lol.

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  7. Narduzzi’s last year at MSU his defense was torched by the best 3 teams they played.

    Oregon torched them for 500 total yards, of which 318 were via the Air.

    Ohio State torched them for 568 total yards of which 300 were via the Air.

    And Baylor lit them up for 633 total yards of which an incredible 603 yards were via Air.

    Now they were good against the likes of Jacksonville State, Eastern Michigan, Wyoming, Purdue, Indiana, Maryland, Buttgers and Pedo State and a 5-7 Michigan team. That’s 9 pretty much cupcakes.

    Pitt’s not going to get that easy of a schedule in the ACC and their non-con.

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  8. This may be stating the obvious, but the turnover battle really hurt us last night. Not only our giveaways (like the early fumble on the KO that led to a field goal, and of course we lose by 3), but our missed opportunities: the INT erased by the offsides, the juggled ball that at one point was sitting on Motley’s chest that gets pulled away by the VT receiver, and the Webb drop.

    Also Peterman was a bit sloppy carrying the football, we are extremely lucky neither of his fumbles were lost.

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  9. Now his system was in place 8 years by then. Again his system works against teams that have terrible QB’s or just terrible teams. But then again any system would work against teams of that ilk. 🙂

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  10. YO AT emel1981 — that year your trying to “Make a Point with” about Pat Narduzzi was vs. TOP-5 Oregon with Marcus Mariota that played in the National Championship….vs. TOP 5 Ohio State THAT PLAYED IN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP and won…(AGAINST THAT SAME OREGON TEAM BRO)..and TOP 5 BAYLOR (THAT PAT NARDUZZI BEAT)— with a top 4 round draft QB on the Jets, the Biletnikoff Award Winner Corey Coleman and so many other draft picks ON BOTH O-AND-D, and Michigan State WON** ….. What point are you on??? Just being a (Sorry, going FULL MILLENIAL here) HATER lol

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  11. ^^^ The year before Pat Narduzzi came (Home) to Pitt — Pat Narduzzi’s MSU team lost ONLY to Marcus Mariota-led Oregon and Urban Meyer-led Ohio State — Narduzzi’s only 2 losses —– BOTH OF THOSE TEAMS MET IN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER COURSING-THROUGH THE COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYOFFS BRO.

    Pat Narduzzi BEAT #5 BAYLOR (THE FIRST TEAM-OUT OF THE PLAYOFF) —- Pat Narduzzi WON THAT GAME. **WHAT ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT AT THIS POINT???? **

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  12. Pitt could go undefeated, win the NC beating Alabama 54-0 and some of you would complain about it. Even if it was as simple as our uniforms suck.
    Ask any MSU fan/grad right now if they’d take Narduzzi back today. Think any would decline? Didn’t think so. Face it, our D players suck minus one or 2 guys. Graham and Chryst recruited offense well – which is why our O is good. They were awful on D recruiting.
    And I agree that PN went a little overboard on the sideline last night – but I’d much prefer (and I’m sure the players would too) a coach that shows he gives a dang by sticking up for and arguing on behalf of his players and team – the complete opposite of PC who stood there in a daze the whole game (I liked PC by the way too).

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  13. ee–So someone should not make comments unless they are a season ticket holder. I’ll take it one step further. Maybe you shouldn’t make comments unless you are a donor who loves the University so much that he/she donates without any benefit. Is this you? Have you ever made a donation without receiving a benefit in return?

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  14. Narduzzi acting out on the sideline isn’t a problem. It’s an act of becoming a great college head coach. He’s new and improving……each day…..

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  15. Just checked into Pitt ticket office .. tickets will be mailed out next week… wouldn’t it be great to beat them in Death Valley…

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  16. tiger paul – my answers are yes to all of your questions except your first. It seems ridiculous to complain if you are a part of the problem by not attending. Some can’t because of health or financial reason (those folks probably aren’t complaining and shouldn’t).

    Look, attendance at Pitt games is less than ALL of us would like to see. gc explained his reason for his negative comment – he was targeting the Athletic Dept with his comments because he believes they lied to us fans.

    It seems that most of the attendance complainers don’t go to the games – I personally thought the crowd was better than I expected it to be.

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  17. After all my bitching, I do have to add one big positive. This team does not quit, give up, hang its head in the face of adversity. Chryst and Graham teams absolutely quit on games, these guys don’t.

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  18. I’m not complaining and rarely do. I wasn’t able to be at the game (health) yet two of my friends were sitting in my seats courtesy of mwah. Yes they are club so I donate and gain something from it. I still reserve my right to complain if I ever get the urge and think I’m so much smarter than a head coach who been doing this job for 25 years.

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  19. Htp123 – you’ll have to show me a game where the Chryst players quit on him.

    That happened 2 or 3 times with DW… but you are correct it hasn’t happened with Narduzzi.

    Ike – I’ll disagree re Narduzzi getting better. He’s been a HC for 21 games now and has shown little progress as a game day coach.

    Podcast up tomorrow am… I just now got home… and btw stayed till the end of the game last night.

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  20. There was 28 or so scores on the PITT – VT prediction thread. Only 3 had VT winning:

    REED 31 – 28, Dan72 48 – 21 & jrnpitt 42 – 24. It looks like Dan72 is the winner if you go by total overall points scored.

    If you compare total points to prediction w/o regard to who actually won. “JJ” had PITT 37 – VT38 which matched the total final score.

    A shout out to “gc” for saying PITT would have to score 40+ points to win. I didn’t see an actual prediction from him.

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  21. I see your point Reed. Improvement is there, camouflaged by some stubbornness. He’s banking all this and there is no substitute for experience. Please don’t say that Wanny didn’t become a better COLLEGE head coach after a few years of on the job leaning. He really did.

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  22. Here’s note, Pittsburgh channel 2 KDKA pretty tough on Narduzzi for not changing up his defense against the pass. Really called him out (Pompeani) Pressure going up a notch.

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  23. Reed … biggest improvement with Duzz has been bringing in Matt Canada and turning over the offense to him.. now we need a shakeup or growth on the defensive side … we still have 4 to go and Clemson is beatable

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  24. Pomp is still yearning for Tom Bradley, what he says is irrelevant and as a general rule stupid. I have been a season ticket holder for over 20 years and attended regularly before then so I say last night’s attendance was a DISGRACE,, period. For healthy Pitt fans who live in the area Shame.

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  25. I agree on Pompeani 1000% rkb, but it still applies pressure on HCPN. I should have made that more clear. PITT has never had many friends in the Pittsburgh media. I think at this point constructive criticism however nastily pointed is good for Pat N.

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  26. Rkb agree wholeheartly. No excuse for attendance last night! It was as cold and miserable as it could be but I drove6 hours to make it.

    Left the game feeling as low about Pitt Football as I have for a long time. Team wasn’t ready to play and blew another prime time TV game again.

    I really don’t think Pitt Football will ever be a National success again. No matter how many games we win.

    If the game was played at Blacksburg there would have been 75,000

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  27. BigB — you beat me to it … I was going to say that the most-glaringly-obvious improvement Narduzzi has made is who he hired as OC the second time he had to make that decision.

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  28. Dan72… the loss was hard to take but the support for the team was devasting … no wonder local kids look to greener pastures .. they want a college football experience….can’t blame them .. there is an uncommercialized atmosphere that surrounds the storied programs … we are still searching…

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  29. Newbk… wish Duzz could bring a quick fix for the D.. lots of good commentary and insights on D fixes have been written.. my tendency is to say Duzz is stubborn and he is .. but the D was POORLY recruited before he arrived and he has his system ” to death do us part” He is a fun guy to watch – and as someone has said a lot like Cowher.. this team is exciting and that is an understatement! Had a beer with Matt Canada this past summer and he told me we will score a lot of points .. need to score 40 per game Matt and we are undefeated.. time to lift myself out of this post-Mortem funk.. there is a lot of football to be played before the dreaded winter sport.. got tickets to Clemson and they are beatable.. hope they are undefeated and ranked #1 in the nation when we come to town… could be our biggest win since 13-9… Matt Canada said we will score a lot of points … start putting “40 or more on the score”

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  30. The point I was trying to make is I don’t think this defense works against good teams with good QB’s.

    Stopping the run is not important today. Pitt’s D is #10 in stopping the run after 8 games. Yet we have 3 losses and 3 losses against Power 5 competition. Even though we’re avg’g 38 ppg.

    A defensive philosophy that is more geared to stop the run vs the pass is flawed in today’s age.

    I like the Nard Dog, love his passion, etc. But it’s a flawed defensive philosophy.

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  31. Tx…I’m with you ….and have been on the on campus stadium. But it, like Pitt Footaball being a national power …is hopeless! Talk about recruits wanting a real college experience? Won’t ever happen at Pitt. Last night Va Tech came out fired up and ready to beat Pitt. Pitt waddled out to mild applause and 15,000 people in the seats (4000 of them VPI fans). The only upport our players got was scattered booing…and even that was passive.

    Face it….for the ardent fans…like us…there are about 30,000… that live eat and breathe PF!

    No one else cares.

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  32. In getting to 9-0, VT was gifted 6. Our defense kept us from getting blown out in the first quarter. It could have been 21-0. We played from behind until we got it to 21-16. Then 2 Fgs made it 22-21 VT (again the defense). Even though we got it to 29-29, those first 6 VT points in the first quarter were the difference,

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  33. Pitt’s never gonna get back to where we were once, on the cheap. It took an about $200 mil Plus to create Pitt’s basketball program. They have spent nowhere close to that on football.

    You get what you pay for !

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  34. Pitt fans don’t show up because of the long history of epic fails.

    That is why the Navy game hurt so bad. Annapolis was loaded with avid Pitt Fans and Pitt does not show up.

    Narduzzi has all those painful losses to overcome.

    People did not show up because they knew Pitt would lose again, just like they have done in most meaningful games.

    Things may be headed in the right direction, but we haven’t turned the corner yet.

    Narduzzi has to win some big games before fans believe again.

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  35. ESPN’s summation of the game:

    Pitt: Midway through Narduzzi’s second season, the defense remains a chaotic work in progress. Even the debut of ballyhooed freshman safety Damar Hamlin’s long anticipated debut did little to help. If Pitt’s pass defense was even average, the Panthers would be a threat to reach the ACC title game. It’s not, and the Panthers almost certainly won’t be in Orlando in December.

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  36. Pitt came in with the nation’s 120th-ranked pass defense yet played bump-and-run for most of the game, hoping its defensive backs could win more than they lost.

    Didn’t happen. Instead, three Tech wide receivers topped 100 yards in the same game for the first time in school history. Isaiah Ford’s 10 receptions included his school-record 23rd receiving touchdown. Bucky Hodges caught six passes for 145 yards and a score and Cam Phillips added 109 yards on a night the Hokies piled up 556 total yards.

    “It’s a great feeling when you can do what you love doing and that’s throw the ball up and down the field against a pretty good defense,” Evans said. “One-on-one coverage. You can’t ask for anything better than one-on-one coverage.”

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  37. Irritating loss for many reasons. Missed the 2nd half on flight home,, and when I tried to watch the DR’d game, it cut off at 3:30 just before the call was made on the 3rd and 1 which looked like a slightly generous mark to me.

    BTW, what is up with this crap: http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=17911590

    Many teams with players who do not have pants down to the knees.
    http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/003/564/023/hi-res-20cbb178822d44764a0e380a49faa8e2_crop_north.jpg?w=630&h=420&q=75

    and there are many more. WTF, a-hole commentators?

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  38. Exactly gc…..the curse of the nationally televised game is still strong here. Narduzzi has only one big win against the pedos.

    Yeah Evans….you can’t ask for anything better than one-on-one coverage against short slow players.

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  39. @gc:

    “Pitt fans don’t show up because of the long history of epic fails.

    That is why the Navy game hurt so bad. Annapolis was loaded with avid Pitt Fans and Pitt does not show up.

    Narduzzi has all those painful losses to overcome.

    People did not show up because they knew Pitt would lose again, just like they have done in most meaningful games.

    Things may be headed in the right direction, but we haven’t turned the corner yet.

    Narduzzi has to win some big games before fans believe again.”

    (gc “drops the mic”, turns around and leaves)

    You sir have perfectly articulated the situation, thank you. You are indeed a scholar and gentleman.

    urgh — Chris Petersen Built It in Washington — http://www.espn.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/105332/why-washington-for-chris-petersen-the-huskies-are-a-challenge-worth-fighting-for — (they were 6-6 last year and now they’re dominating the weak PAC-12 , undefeated and top-4 ranked).

    Until Narduzzi Builds-It-Up, fans will not Trust that Pitt is Back as National Power Team, simple as that.

    I just will be irritated if once Pitt is Built UP by Narduzzi in Power-Status, the same who were Relentlessly Whining During the Growing-Pains (callin’ it as I’m seein’ it lol) will be the one’s going-crazy and Rockin’ the Bandwagon!!!

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  40. 🙂 🙂 🙂 @LamontWade, Please come be a “Prodigal Son who Never-Left”, and Come Help YOUR Pitt Panthers become a National Power!! Lamont Wade at Pitt Returning Kicks and Punts, Getting offense touchs a la Brian O’Niell (haha), and being Pitt’s Tyrann Matheiu on Defense.

    This is Lamont Wade’s Incredible Future-Role here with His Pitt Panthers:

    Lamont Wade is gonna Make a Lotta National Noise at Heinz if he decides to Rock the Script!!

    ^^^ Great young man 🙂 , rooting hard for young Damar Hamlin to Hit those weights, and Gobble-Up that Chicken Breast-N-Broccoli, and become the next Great Long, Fast Cornerback. I sensed star-power right away,as my eyes-jumped to him right away and I exclaimed: “Who is that Tall D-Back, #3 out there???”

    Damar Hamlin, Dane Jackson, Jordan Whitehead, 6’1” RS Frosh (Florida-Boy) Malik Henderson next year, 6’1” Jay Stocker at Safety — even incoming Paris Ford (don’t forget about him!! 6 foot, high-4 star Safety / Corner/ Wide Receiver / stud athlete who’s been Riding All-In with Pitt this entire recruiting process!! 🙂 no flippy-flopping) — Narduzzi is not going to COMPROMISE when he knows Reinforcements are At-The-Wings, and even Lamont Wade may (Come rock the Script YOUNG MAN! 🙂 LOL) come to Pitt (Star DB’s in the NFL AND College want to play in Narduzzi’s Philosophy, period) .

    Patience, young Padawans…Patience 🙂 It’s Painful and Arduous, The Metamorphisis from a Caterpillar to a Butterfly 🙂 lol.

    HAIL TO PITT!! 😉

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  41. Emil, Narduzzi’s defensive philosophy is not flawed, you just need NFL caliber defensive CB’s to implement it at a high level. Turning some of those jump balls into incompletions would have left the opposition defense gasping for air in the 4th Q with having to spend so much time out on the field.—The big question is whether or not Narduzzi will be able to recruit the talented defense players necessary to execute his system. His best selling point has got to be the ability for these recruits to SEE THE FIELD early and not ride the bench at Alabama, Ohio State and Notre Dame.

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  42. Two interesting facts to share before I head out of Pittsburgh this morning –

    A. Pitt’s O has produced at least 36 points per game in each of it’s last 7 games (longest streak in FBS) and yet have a 4-3 record in that stretch.

    Let that sink in –

    B. Start times for both the wvcc and pedo state games are at noon today. Both ranked and playing in the Midwest.

    I hope they both lose…

    And I still hate pedo state!

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  43. The game turned in the 3rd Qtr when Pitt went from up 21-16 to down 29-21…VaTech scored to make it 21-19 and our offense ran a jet, inc. pass, followed by and end around…the punt – which led to another FG – followed by a short Pitt drive followed by a Hokie TD…the complexion of the game would have changed if Pitt had put 3 pts on the board…

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  44. After that first quarter of horrible football execution that Pitt put out there, you tell me that any past Pitt team from the last couple of decades that comes back from that to make a game of it like ours did on Thursday??? This is a Narduzzi Era team, and it is only going to get better.
    Yes, this team has a big problem, it’s defensive secondary. The solutions are already in the pipeline however, with guys that are tall, talented & fast.
    Jay Stocker 6’2″
    Henry Miller 6’3″
    Phil Campbell 6’1″
    Damar Hamlin 6’1″
    Therran Coleman 6’0″
    With guys in the two deep already getting experience, like Dane Jackson at 6 feet even looking over his shoulder next season, wondering if he will be good enough to stand up to the competition coming up behind him.
    And we are not even considering verbals like Paris Ford who could see playing time as a true freshman next season.
    I hate saying “wait until next year”, but WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR!
    Coach Narduzzi is building a program here at Pitt. You’re watching it being forged right before your eyes. This VT loss will not be a source of despair for this team it will be motivation to get better.
    Hail to Pitt!

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  45. Price doesnt wear need pads as a lot don’t. But the others don’t cut the pants like shorts. I agree it looks stupid but so does players jumping around like bush leaguers on the 4th quarter.

    Many of the POV’ers are in love with Narduzzi. I don’t see it. Doesnt win big games, defense atrocious. Somehow we think Freshman will play lights out next year when other holes present themselves from LB and Dline. Then offense next year we have a qb with zero playing time. I don’t know who we need but a coach who has no HC experience who doesnt learn much as he goes is not posirtive. Perfect example is Fuente. High powered offense and HC experience and look at VT in leas than 11 months. They sucked under Beamer as HC offensivily. Narduzzi needs to learn and class it up. At least we dont have to worry about anyone wanting him.

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  46. Pitt made the decision to go cheap with a coordinator not an experienced head coach. Is Narduzzi recruiting the defensive players he needs? Season ticket sales next season will suffer. Óklahoma to State won’t fill the rented stadium. The Narduzzi nerds are delusional.

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  47. Anthony – I agree Narduzzi stinks. Sadly Mich St wont want the bum either after showing Edinboro would hang 30 on this defense.

    He is all talk and excuses. Guys were in position, refs robbed us. He is a baffoon.

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  48. Some think miami’s speed and QB will torch the Pitt secondary – if true, the Pitt offense will need to put 45 plus on the scoreboard to win.

    I’m not giving up on HCPN, but for the record I preferred we hire an experienced HC.

    Duzz is now gaining experience – I believe as Doc says, we are close to winning the big game.

    Can you say Clemson?

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  49. EE – He gains experience and his pride doesnt let him make changes or adjustments so what value is there learning if you don’t change.

    I say Narduzzi’s success was as much D’antonio than him.

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  50. UCONN +6.5
    WVU -3.5
    Utah +9.5
    UT +3.5
    ND +2.5
    Bills +6.5
    Dallas -4.5
    Saints +2.5
    ATL -2.5
    NW -26.5

    Had to pick 10 so here they are.

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  51. Pitt earned a paycheck from the ACC by playing on Thursday night. When was the last time you saw Michigan play a Thursday night? Or Alabama? Don’t blame the fans. It’s Thursday night. The SEC rarely plays them and nor does the BIG . There’s a good reason they don’t inconvenience their fans.

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  52. Michigan & Alabama don’t play on Thursday night because they don’t have a contract with ESPN like the ACC does. If they did they too would be playing on Thursday nights.

    CBS has the TV contract with the SEC and they are not an all sports channel like ESPN.

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  53. Sorry to burst your bubble but the Big Ten and the SEC both have contracts with ESPN. Another Narduzzi nerd pulling at straws.

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