Draft Roundup – Pitt’s got no Talent?

Most of you guys have already debated this to death yesterday but we need a new article and I figured I could use this as the opportunity to get in the last word.

First, one Pitt Panther was drafted this past weekend, in round seven no less.  It was senior Cornerback Dane Jackson, and he was drafted by the Buffalo Bills.  While we are all happy for Dane to get his shot in the NFL, I think we all would have liked to see him go a little earlier.  I blame coronavirus for this.  Pitt’s pro day is traditionally where all the non-combine athletes got their exposure, and those who went to the combine (which Jackson did) got even more.

Three other Pitt Panthers signed as free agents.  WR/KR Maurice Ffrench signed with the Chiefs.  TE Nakia-Griffin Stewart (somewhat surprisingly given his lack of effective receiving skills) signed with the Vikings, and Kylan Johnson signed with the Dolphins.  We wish them all the best as they attempt make it work in the NFL.

Taking a step back from this, the chief complaint of many, is that Pitt has not had enough players drafted in recent years, this year included.  This of course, points to a lack of talent and a deficiency in player development and recruiting.  Even Chris Dokish, who is usually a pretty positive dude (and I’m kind of being sarcastic here, because he’s usually a REALLY positive dude), said as much. 

First of all, a simple fact check:  He’s not wrong.  Pitt has had 11 players drafted from 2016-2020 (That’s five years.  Count it with me … 16-17-18-19-20).   BC has had 12 players drafted.  Meanwhile, Temple has sent 15 to the pros by way of the draft.  Clearly this does not reflect well on Pitt, and by extension, Pat Narduzzi.

What’s even more damning though is that 9 of Pitt’s 11 draftees were recruited by Paul Chryst.  (I’m giving Narduzzi credit for Jordan Whitehead and Nate Peterman.  Yes Peterman was a transfer but I can gaurantee you he would not have come to Pitt if Chryst was at the helm.)  Wait?  What???  The ‘Duzz has been in place for five years and he’s sent a grand total of TWO guys to the pros?  The howls of “Fire this coach he clearly sucks at recruiting,” are growing louder.

Well lets just slow down on the emotional knee-jerk reactions shall we.  We’ll start with some data.  And after we look at it, we may well conclude that these reactions are justified, but lets at least give the facts their day in court.  We are, after all, (mostly) college graduates here.

First… All the guys that were drafted out of Pitt since 2016.  I’ve added come commentary, and to keep it simple, I’ve also color-coded the players.  Green means they are contributing to an NFL team.  Red means they are out of the league OR not a contributor.

Pitt Draft Grid

Two conclusions here

  1.  Duzz has still not put a lot of guys in the NFL.
  2. While the numbers are low,  the ‘Duzz does have a 100% success rate with his guys.  IE everyone that ‘Duzz has coached for 3+ years and that has been drafted is currently contributing to a team in the NFL.  On the other hand, we are talking about four guys here in three years, so yea, that’s kind of a low bar.  (Ollison, O’Neill, Whitehead, Maddox.  Connor was only a ‘Duzz guy for two years)

For  your reference…

Temple Draft Grid

BC Draft Grid

So a few more thoughts here:

  • In 2017 Temple went 10-4 in the American and had three guys drafted.  Pitt went 8-5 in the ACC and had five.  Of course four of them washed out…
  • Temple has one more win than Pitt in the last two seasons – in a weaker conference – but has had SEVEN guys drafted.  Pitt has had two.  What does that tell you?
  • Pitt’s 2018, 5-7 team had three guys drafted.  By the “guys drafted” measure it was Pitt’s second most talented team under Narduzzi.  Of course we didn’t have a quarterback (more on that in a later article…)
  • Steve Addazio has put more guys then Narduzzi in the NFL and yet never broke the 7 win plateau.

Last but not least, Pitt had four guys that could have declared in 2019 and probably would have been drafted (although all bets are off with COVID).  Narduzzi is retaining his most talented guys.  Do you really want to hold THAT against any college coach?  Really?

Now…what about the future?  After all, we are Pitt fans.  In fact, we should probably change our battle cry from “Lets go Pitt” to “Next year is our year!”.  But…if you look forward Pitt has 11 potential draftees in 2021…assuming there is a season.  No, not all of them will get drafted, but barring injury at least four of them will (and probably at least two more besides that.)  And guess what?  They were all recruited and developed by Narduzzi.  (Except Mack who transferred in – technically still recruited by him though).

1 2021 r-Sr Patrick Jones
2 2021 r-Sr Rashad Weaver?
3 2021 r-Sr Jaylen Twyman
4 2021 r-Sr Keyshon Camp?
5 2021 r-Jr Paris Ford
6 2021 r-Sr Damar Hamlin
7 2021 Sr Kenny Pickett????
8 2021 r-Sr Jimmy Morrissey?
9 2021 r-Sr Taysir Mack?
10 2021 Sr Jason Pinnock?
11 2021 Sr Damarri Mathis?

Now the guy may have hairy arms.  And he may make some head scratching in-game decisions.  And he may come off as a bit of a blowhard in interviews.  But looking at the 2021 draft-potential, it’s pretty tough to say he isn’t developing talent…even though it’s taken a while.  Note the eight redshirts on that list.  That’s intentional, and I think a lot of people don’t get that.  #Meatballhasaplan

Discuss.

 

237 thoughts on “Draft Roundup – Pitt’s got no Talent?

  1. Pretty obvious the dearth of talent at Pitt the last so many years. Struggle to beat last place MAC teams in bowl game, lose to another that had half their starters skip the Bowl. Just absolutely get trounced by some teams, where Pitt doesn’t even look like it should have even been on the same field. Can’t pass block or complete most passes longer than 5 yards. Never ending procedure penalties, from game 1 to game 13.

    We just lost to Boston College at Home, so we are no better than them. Good thing Temple was off the schedule the last 5 years or we’d be losing to the Owls as well.

    Pitt is what it is, a middling mess of a program, that has been floundering in mediocrity for not years, but decades.

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    1. I love that everyone on here and the blather used to call Jim Cheney, “Chubbs.” He has bounced around a bunch since leaving Pitt.

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    1. Haha. If weaver develops as expected … he will definitely be drafted. What if he doesn’t come back 100% from three knee?

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      1. Dokish is the biggest pitt fan boy so for him to post this says something

        Tex who dokish banned twice for saying I wouldn’t attend a party he was at and for saying to chill out

        Ps: the man knows pitt recruiting, is passionate about Pitt but I’d rather practice 1500 miles of social distancing from him

        Tex

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  2. MM, you amaze me with the volume and quality of your articles. And your analytic skills and judgment are darn good as well. Thank you so much.

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      1. Mike – your analysis is superb. I was wondering about the Dokish tweet. Spent more than a few minutes researching teams names & numbers last night & just gave up. Bravo on your article.

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    1. That compliment To MM (all true, sincere and deserved) was from 6&34. I don’t know why my nom de plume was translated to Anonymous.

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  3. Couple things:

    Who hired Jim Chaney?

    Addazio was at BC 7 years. I say that knowing that this is the year Narduzzi’s (year 6) we should see what kind of job PN is doing. PITT will have at least 8 players drafted next year depending on Covid and injuries.

    PITT didn’t have many players drafted? This was more to do with Paulie than Patty.

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  4. Oh and again, the lack of PITT draftees this past draft was due to the fact that at least four players decided to stick around and help the team and coach they love so much.

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  5. Ike – pitt should never and I mean never be beaten by schools like temple and BC in regards to recruiting, development and results on the field. That dokish stat is embarrassing.

    And Pitt is top heavy on developing defense guys particularly on the line. The lack of talent and development on offense is a major problem.

    Thanks mike for this excellent follow up commentary and analysis.

    Again, pitt doesn’t need five guys drafted every year to be a successful program. But it does need more high end three stars and some more four stars each year. It does need better player development on offense. It does need that breakout ten win season and some consistent top 25 rankings.

    Did I also mention it needs an on campus MPC?

    Tex

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      1. My hatred of lumpy is also well known. Potato paulie looked like a slob on the sidelines in those cheap sweats and his teams played like slobs. But he’s a good fit at whisky where having a dominant o-line is key.

        Tex

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  6. MM, it looks like (from memory) only 2-3 of those players on your list of potential 2021 draftees were 4 star recruits. I think this confirms what many of us believe- that 3 stars can be coached up to be decent players with time, but that it may be later in their careers before they contribute. With continuity and keeping players for five years, Pitt could remain competitive, but as you mention, maybe only 4-6 of these players could be good enough to be drafted.

    As I look at these numbers along with the total number of Narduzzi recruits over this period, I can’t see where the overall quality of recruiting has been good enough to build for the next level. Your analysis confirms to me that they must start getting more 4 stars, even if they leave the program early, in order to be consistently good. Pitt’s players drafted or signed by the NFL this year are likely only fringe players in the NFL at best, and I’m not sure the group available next year is that much better..

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  7. No way to spin this as positive. One guy drafted in the late rounds isn’t going to get it done. I do think recruiting has picked up a bit in the last few years due to some good staff additions. There are clearly a couple of coaches on this team whose jobs should be on the line, both from lack of development and lack of recruiting.

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  8. just one comment
    and it is an important one
    why the hell does the iPhone spell check or word offering(whatever you call it) as you are typing a text offer up thEn over thAn all the time? i hate it and it needs to change,,,,it happened in MM’s article above
    they aren’t interchangeable, are they?

    “…Addazio put more guys then Narduzzi in the NFL…”

    “…one more win than Pitt…”

    let’s at least solve something in this world even if i can’t help with covid

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  9. small note …. there are 2 other potential Pitt draft picks for next year …

    TE Lucas Krull – allegedly a real physical talent from a big program
    OG Bryce Hargraves — 3rd team ACC

    long shots but you never know

    People look at the matrices provided by Maestro above and see what they want to see. Some look at all the players from BC and ignore the W-L records. But then they at the Temple players and notice the W-L records.

    If you look at the past four Pitt HCs (that stayed for > 1 year), you will note that they seem to recruit/develop players that fit their programs: Offensive guru Walt Harris brought in people like A Bryant and L Fitz. He also was able to bring in the local top QBs like Rutherford, Palko and Getsy.

    Wanny bought in good DL and RBs. Chryst brought in OL, TE and RBs, and Nard brings in defense and a few good RBs. But none of them, it seems, have been able to recruit balanced classes of recruits on a consistent basis.

    Again, I think it is tough these days to consistently recruit good players if you (1) are not one of the elites, or (2) don’t have great talent pool in your backyard

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  10. Fun Fact.

    Johnny Majors II (12 wins – 32 losses) put a better collection of players into the NFL than NoDoz in his first
    5 years. And we all what kind of condition JM2 was in, in those years.

    Curtis Martin – All Pro 5 times
    Rueben Brown – All Pro 9 times
    Dietrich Jells
    Anthony Dorsett
    Tom Barndt
    Darnell Dinkins
    Tom Tumulty
    Curtis Anderson
    Hank Poteat

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    1. In the boredom of not having any new sports to watch I am catching up on Pitt football games from when I was in grade school and did not follow it. If you go on youtube, you can experience JM Part II against Miami in 94 and 96, Texas in 95, Notre Dame in 93, and Va Tech in 94/95. After watching those whoopins I will never complain about Wanny, Chryst, or Nard Dawg again. What went so wrong during that era?

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      1. Pitt football had no shot. The BoT killed football in 1990 by raising admission standards and hiring Hackett, who implemented 6 a.m. study halls and kicked kids out of school at an alarming rate. It became worse after Hackett with the chancellor, O’Connor, and Oval Jaynes, the A.D., who let the program and Pitt Stadium rot.

        The root of the problem started in 1982 when the university got out of the big-time football business for good. The school has been run by absolute morons since then.

        I’m still bitter over the 1990s. Ten years of my life with awful football when Gottfried could have won 70-75 games that decade back teams played 11 games. Last decade wasn’t great either with all the coaching changes and Wannstedt- Narduzzi should have been the two coaches.

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          1. During the 1989 Sun Bowl the announcers said Pitt’s chancellor, Posvar, did not like the direction of where college football was heading. It was about to get big. ABC and ESPN doubled down on football and pay per view was also on the horizon.

            Programs saw it coming and double downed as well. Ohio State was mediocre late under Earl Brice and John Cooper and was one of the schools. Since 1993 the Buckeyes have been incredible.

            Pitt wanted no part of this as I’m sure the BoT didn’t want to spend so it decided to let it rot.

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        1. Burris and Pete Gonzalez traded TD passes in the first 1:51 of the game before Pittsburgh took a 10-7 lead on a 45-yard field goal by Chris Ferencik. Burris scampered 17 yards to give the Owls a 14-10 lead and Dwayne Schulters raced 67 yards to give Pittsburgh a 17-14 lead.

          Temple took a 21-17 lead in the second quarter when Deadrake Epps returned a blocked punt 12 yards for a score. Curtis Anderson took the ensuing kickoff 91 yards to give the Panthers a 24-21 lead.

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  11. This article hits on my points yesterday so I will not repeat.

    This isn’t being negative but I don’t understand the infatuation with the Krulls, Flanagans, Graggs, Griffin Stewarts, etc. Look, if these kids were highly talented they would have declared for the draft instead of taking a roster spot at Pitt and getting paid instead of not. Pitt provides a last chance for kids, and eventually some will pan out (due to odds). For instance, Kylan Johnson. He played well for Pitt, but not well enough to have his name called. I hope the kid makes a roster spot for special teams play, but there are reasons they came to Pitt. Maybe they all got stuck behind great NFL talents, had injuries, coaching changes, who knows.

    If anything, this exposes the flaws in Pitt’s recruiting. When these grad kids come in, it’s great and everyone has a small love fest, but when you peel away the pedals grasshoppers, we aren’t finding a first, second third fourth or fifth rounder in there. We are finding serviceable athletes at best who are used to fill in recruiting evaluation busts. Who was our best grad transfer? Peterman? Was it Peterman, scheme or Gruden lovefest1 that led him to draftability?

    Krull will be a mismatch for smaller LB’s and a great safety valve if Pickett isn’t already running past him as Krull makes the last pivot on his route. I can see him averaging 9 yards per catch. I’d be more inclined to put him at OT, beef him up to 280-285 and let his TE footwork be used to his advantage.

    For this years draft, Dairy college had 5 this year and 6 each the prior two years. My thought of 4-6 a year might be too aspirational. Maybe 3-4 picks per year sounds better and is more realistic. I just know that one is not a good look and two would be the loneliest number and its the loneliest number since the number one. So I stick with a solid 3-4.

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  12. Pitt has had some real bad coaches and athletic directors. Pitt has a leadership problem still to this day. It always has with the exception of Wes in the early 70’s who changed the culture and had one primary goal. But Bad decision after bad decision soon followed. Waiting to react. No strategic vision. Poorly executed tactical plans.

    Companies like this don’t stay in business very long but when you’re allowed to raid the general fund each year to subsidize these mistakes, we have Pitt as the poster child.

    Tex

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  13. Huff the Third I would play that Three Dog Night song but I hate it.

    Peterman not only was drafted but became the starting QB in Buffalo. and no that didn’t go well. I think anytime a player makes so much as a dime in the pros he’s done a lot more than a whole lot of the rest of us.

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  14. Haven’t been posting or reading much lately, so I’m not sure if I missed it, but Aaron Donald tweeted he is now a proud Pitt grad. This, to me, is something that should be given much more attention than some shmo drafted and spending a cup of coffee in the league. A guy of his stature thinking it’s important to come back and finish school. Well, that’s amazing to me. Pitt pride for sure.

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  15. I think Peterman got a chance because the top 2 qbs were injured back to back. Yeah it was awful. He wasn’t ready candidly. His processing plant needed an upgrade in technology (i.e. he needed to watch more film and get used to the pace of play). He was overwhelmed. Gruden is giving him a final chance since it was Gruden that told the world peterman was a late round 1 but definitely a second round pick.

    I just don’t get excited for any grad transfer. That’s just me. It doesn’t mean i won’t cheer for them to help us win or want them to fail. Not at all. My thought has always been, if they are that good to come in and start, they should go to the draft. Secondly, if our recruiting was as good as what everyone thinks it is, there should not be any openings for someone with equal or lesser talent. If the talent is equal, we should see the sequel (i.e. same dude that originally committed to Pitt and has put in the time with his teammates). Now, if a kid was hurt at his prior stop and he is rehabbed and needs to prove something and still has more talent then our dude, please come in.

    I don’t like the promise of playing time to grad transfers as it messes with team chemistry.

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  16. I can’t believe Nakia Griffin-Stewart was given so many opportunities after dropping so many balls this year. Additionally, I can’t believe the Viking signed him. I stole the nickname of old pro wrestler Ronnie Garvin to describe Griffin-Stewart’s catching abilities. “He is the man with hands of stone.”

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    1. Would have to believe there is something else going on here. Like Nakia has someone in his family that once played in the NFL. NFL is big on nepotism.

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      1. J Dennis and Oval were the so called university leaders in my day. You can both rot in Hell for what you did to Pitt athletics. 🤠

        Tex who really did attend Pitt during the suckiest sports time ever.

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  17. I think the first time I heard the phrase ‘hands of stone’ was in reference to the boxer Roberto Duran. His punches were so destructive as if his hands were made of stone.

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    1. Yep, may have hinted about that yesterday when everyone was having a dinucci moment. There’s alot that goes on behind the scenes and connections. May have mentioned cignetti and mccarthy doing a solid for him. Good stuff. Hope he makes it. It’s all about keeping possession of the piglet. No turnovers.

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  18. OT: Prediction Pitt’s next FB commit will be Myles Alston ATH from Virginia Beach, Va. Expect announcement tonight at 7:30. Chris Beatty rells in another Va commit.

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    1. Beatty will be asking for a raise but I don’t know how pitt can afford if the ACC check is cut (which it will since no March madness) and limited capacity for fans at the games in the near term.

      When will Narduzzi, Capel and their staffs be asked to take pay cuts? It’s inevitable.

      Tex

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    2. I heard he had commited last week but he wasn’t in the 3 who announced….that will make 3 from the Tidewater Va area…. I bet Chesapeake’s Patrick Jones and family are top recruiters for PITT!!! Hampton Roads Va population well over a million peeps – they take football seriously!!!

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  19. a 3-star WR from VA is announcing tonight at 7:30. Pitt is on his final list along with Va Tech, Ole Miss and Maryland; maybe this is the new commit

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  20. coincidence? new Steeler QB coach Matt Canada coached back-up RB Jaylen Samuels at NC State, starting RB James Conner at Pitt, and newly drafted RB Anthony McFarland at Maryland. I guess it wouldn’t be a surprise if Peterman’s next stop is back at Heinz

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    1. Well Bisnowaty and Dorian Johnson are our of football so there’s a couple of camp bodies for you

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  21. Speaking of Peterman, I saw a classic remark in a Buffalo paper’s comment section on an article about the drafting of CB Dane Jackson: “he probably intercepted a few of Peterman’s passes in practice!” LMAO!

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  22. Krull had a kid who will go in the first three rounds – maybe higher – ahead of him. I can’t say he will be excellent but if he is I won’t be surprised.

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  23. Mike – you churn out some great stuff – thanks!

    One quick disagreement – Jordan Whitehead was recruited by, and committed to, Paul Chryst during the 2014 season. I guess you can say he’s technically a Narduzzi recruit if you want because he was in the 2015 recruiting class but he really wasn’t. The reality is that the staff and HC do a ton of hard work to get a guy like Whitehead – or any recruit actually – and deserve the credit when discussing the player. Narduzzi had nothing to do with getting him to Pitt over the likes of Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, etc…

    Dane Jackson committed to Chryst even earlier than Whitehead in June of 2014. That fact that Jackson was drafted is great given the only offers he got were from 2nd rate schools (except for Pitt of course).

    https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2015/dane-jackson-5569#school-interests

    Give Narduzzi a feather in his PITT cap for doing great job molding Jackson into a strong player. As he did with another Chryst recruit in TE/OL Brian O’Neill by switching him to the position he thrived in.

    Hope we can see some football in Sept but not holding my breath – especially in college you have to give kids 4 weeks (at least ) to get ready to play.

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    1. Thanks reed. I agree that Chryst and his staff did the lions share of the legwork on Whitehead. Was going off rivals which has Conklin and Hill as his recruiters. But upon closer inspection he committed on 10/4/14 and Narduzzi was announced 12/26. So there you go.

      With that being said… by that logic the lack of talent through 2019 at least should really fall on Chryst’s shoulders and not Pat’s. I know for sure that Paul signed O’Neill and Ollison, along with Maddox and Whitehead.

      The next 3-5 year will truly tell the story on how well Narduzzi recruits and develops, both on the field and in the draft. To be sure – he’s had a poor record getting juniors into the pros. But I don’t think that’s what he’s selling.

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  24. Alston a nice pickup. Liking the connection down the Chesapeake way.

    Tex for you and I mean this in the best way with tongue in cheek

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  25. As I had been saying

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      1. Pitt doesn’t need to spend money to compete with elite schools. It needs to spend money for top 25 rankings. It has the 4th highest football spend in the ACC. Pitt is not cheap. But Pitt fans have been cheated of results comenserate with the spend. That’s on coach and heather for a p poor ooc schedule.

        Tex

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    1. That is a really good article. Thanks for sharing. To keep me busy during these times, I may try to work up an article or maybe not.

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  26. Pitt doesn’t need to disclose any info because it is for all intents and purposes a private school. Only 8 percent of its budget is subsidized by the commonwealth. It’s board is 66 percent private and appointed by Pitt. It really needs to be 100 percent because the political appointments are hacks. Pitt will never disclose information. It takes me going to Syracuse and other ACC media to find the answers. You have to really dig or know someone inside the administration.

    Tex

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  27. Rivals has us currently ranked #28… our hated rivals the Heels are ranked #3 …. ole Mac certainly learned to “ play the game” during his Austin stint – I’m not referring to Darrel Royal’s “ wishbone.”

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    1. He doesn’t play it as much as “win at any cost” UNC does. To think I probably could have had a full ride with my sat scores #hindsight

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      1. Mack under-achieved at (testless-tests and virtual NO classroom) UNC…what he learned in Texas was the “SHOW ME THE MONEY” angle for recruiting…I have been around Mack for a couple of his talks back in his early Heel days…nice guy but how Mack’s karma could get him a top 5 recruiting class…no way!!!…Mack walks but MONEY talks…something has changed over there in Blue Heaven as those arrogant Bastads call it…..

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        1. Huff the Third…. are you sure 1500 aren’t yours, Tex and Upitt’s combined score?.. I kid I kid… Love you guys! You guys run circles around me.

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    2. Hold on a second BigB, PITT has a few big-timers a coming. Plus PITT finally beat the powder blue cake boys last year. Good luck to Howell against this PITT defense this year.

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  28. Myles Alston has some nice offers.

    According to Rivals, he visited VT four times, Pitt 3 times and PSU once (though they show no offer…). Sounds like a smart young man. 😊

    Go Pitt.

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  29. Daquan Brown a 4 star LB from Virginia is the big prize recruit going forward. Lot’s of competition but Pitt has a decent chance

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    1. 1) the usual suspects

      2) except for the win at UNC, it pretty much follows form in that it picks the likely favored team at this point in time

      3) VT and Miami always look good in the spring

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  30. But what does Mel Kiper know.

    xxxxxxxx

    After the Cowboys drafted DiNucci, ESPN analyst Mel Kiper called him “one of those overachieving quarterbacks you wouldn’t bet against.”

    “Talk about a guy who won a lot of football games. He’s a gutty kid who hangs in the pocket and has real good vision.”

    Jerry DiPaola Trib

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  31. My money is on NC winning the Coastal. Va tech and Miami will contend along with Pitt. Look out for ga tech. They are a rising team.

    Pitt is most likely to land Jeffress. He’s a top 75 basketball recruit. You need 2-3 of these guys on every team. Capels recruiting is coming along nicely…without the bagmen. I’m sure Tossing approves. 🤠

    Tex

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    1. Georgia Teach is at least another year away from being a perennial 7-5 or 8-4 team (which incidentally was Collins’ ceiling at Temple)

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    1. WE win 10 games if we start scoring some points and man were we PITTIFUL in scoring in 2019….Canada gets too much praise- he inherited a team that had 3 OLineman, RB and QB get drafted…a TE that hung around the NFL for a while….really need those dozers on the OL- Biz and DJ were quality recruits…O”Neil was a developmental top notch success…Bookser, though undrafted, did get a crack at the pros…
      QUESTION(s)…Did we score any defensive TD’s last year????

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  32. Something we all know and talk about each and every year…. We can all make a case how PITT can win every game in any year and how they could lose everyone as well. Even Phil Conner got the Punxsutawney weather forecast wrong.

    prognostication is Analysis Paralysis

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  33. Didn’t want to mention it before Jeffress made his choice (superstitious), but Happy Birthday to me!
    Let’s hope the good Pitt news keeps coming. And welcome back NardozzithePoet and Commander Reed! Oh Dark Knight where art thou?
    PittPT

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    1. Happy birthday Mark!! May you have many more happy healthy years ahead of you, and witness the resurgence of a dominant Pitt football program!!

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  34. Recruiting class ranked 13

    Tex

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  35. Here are Capel’s 3 recruiting classes. As you would expect, it gets better each year. But what you also may notice is the shift from the south to the northeast … pretty much the antithesis of the FB recruiting. I have long maintained that Dixon’s downfall was not being able to maintain his NYC/NJ base when Pitt moved to the ACC … whether by design or otherwise. US northeast HS basketball is similar to US southeast football IMO

    https://pittsburgh.rivals.com/commitments/basketball/2018

    https://pittsburgh.rivals.com/commitments/basketball/2019

    https://pittsburgh.rivals.com/commitments/basketball/2020

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  36. OT, what are the chances of live football this fall by limiting crowd attendees to fans under a certain age, like 40 years old?

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    1. You’d need social distancing and the antigen test. But even with the test, the experts still don’t know how long your immunity lasts or even if there is such a thing. Good luck finding any young and healthy pitt fans. They are all old geezers like me.

      Tex

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    2. Can’t these games be held in front of no fans then make all games viewable only through PPV? Every cable or streaming service can offer it.

      That money can go to the athletic departments and in the end the P5 schools can split that money up evenly, sort of like the NFL. The SEC, Big Ten and ND would really hate sharing the money but for one year these schools have to shut their mouths, playa d take the money.

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  37. I posted a message about 20 minutes ago that is ‘awaiting moderation’. It included links to Capel’s 3 commitment classes from Rivals.

    You would note that the 1st class included one from NC and two from VA. This last class included one from Cleveland, two from PA and two from the NJ/NYC area that was so good for Dixon prior to joining the ACC. Note that Champagnie is from the NYC area.

    Ironically, this is the antithesis of the FB recruiting where the US southeast HS football is akin to the US Northeast HS basketball. IMO as long as Capel is able to keep a pipeline here, things should be good

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    1. Arent many 18 yr old’s at Fran’s. The occasional post-game visit by George Aston and perhaps someone’s son or daughter, but by and large its oldsters.

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  38. NYC, philly and dc are all hot spots for basketball talent. Pitt is well positioned. And don’t forget buffalo. My man Julius page.

    Tex

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  39. Us old people (over 65 on Medicare) should not go to colder FB games as that is what the virus likes. Otherwise provide many extra EMT units and Pitt masks at games. Maybe put us spaced in upper decks where nobody sits.

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  40. Two Things. I adopted the III moniker from day one as I am confident in Capel to do the job. I will keep the moniker until we get to a Final Four in hoops. I am glad that our 2nd or 3rd choice basketball head coach has brought in this bright young man, Jeffress from Erie. His commitment video was pure class. No trash rap! Amazed me that he is only 16 and has such great composure. His interview with Saunders was stellar.

    I hope he stays humble and that Capel can keep the lecherous posse hanger on ers from him. The best part of the interview to me was that he clearly states and understands that he needs to continue to develop. Good stuff.

    I am wondering if Capel plays him in the allowable games as a true freshman and then redshirts him, or does he go the full year. He is 16, maybe still growing and will be going up against 21 year olds in some games. He and Hugley have a great chance to develop together. Hopefully we get one more big, but I would really like a top Point guard to get these two the ball.

    Redshirt one, none, or both?

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    1. I’d say play them both. I just read the ESPN article on the firing of Danny Manning at WF. The article notes that he has had six good players in the last few years leave with eligibility remaining. They either went pro or transferred to other schools. Seems the days of good players redshirting then sticking around to play out their four years of eligibility are over. I would expect that to be especially true of top 100 or top 150 guys. Get their contributions while you can.

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    2. I would not redshirt him. His pain against going up against older and more physical players will be his big gain in two short years. It will then be so easy for him to dominate. Accept domination to be dominate.

      Tex

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  41. Wanted to wait til I reviewed Jeffries highlight film before commenting. Play him now! He needs to lift all summer and build up his body but he has an unstoppable Billy Knight jumper and is quick as lightning. Make him a 3 and run you offense around him. Hope he gives Pitt 3 years before goi going pro. Hail to Pitt. Nice get Coach Capel!!!

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  42. Very, very impressive recruiting class for a program that is only 2 years removed from going winless in ACC play. I know that people got frustrated with the lack of progress during the season last year. But I will say it again: without a true point guard, a shooter or a decent big man/rebounder, we were coming to a shootout with a cap gun. Love what Coach Capel is doing.

    I will be moving my social distancing/quarantine to the south tomorrow. Heading the direction of Savannah Panther and Dr. Tom.

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      1. No. I have a condo in Hilton Head. Far less Coronavirus there than where I live. Plus weather here is supposed to be crappy next week.

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        1. Where in HHI? We have a Marriott Vacation Club timeshare there. We love it there- already found a senior citizens facility there for my kids to dump me at when the time comes.

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  43. Pitt coaches going to have a couple of events on zoom. This Thursday, Coach White is presenting a webinar on “Teamwork”. He’s also supposed to take questions…

    On May 12th, Coaches Narduzzi, Capel, White and Fisher will be on with Heather. They also will take questions.

    I got emails to sign up for these things…

    Go Pitt.

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  44. Aside from bags of money, Pitt basketball recruiting has none of the disadvantages that Pitt football recruiting has… There’s a reason that Pitt’s best teams have been indoor sports.

    Go Pitt.

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    1. Build a dome! Seriously, the weather typically isnt that terrible at the end of November, when the football season comes to an end.

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      1. Retractable roof is the better term. Domes are closed, dark and dank. Like a crypt.

        Retractable roofs allow fresh air and natural lighting

        If you build it, they will come

        Tex

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    2. A dome doesn’t solve the issue Major raises. The offical visits in June is a good strategy. The kids don’t have to experience the bone chilling cold of a walk down Fifith in February. Save the visits during basketball season for the northern kids.

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      1. Joel, it was a joke. The weather excuse is just not that big of a deal. The hypothesis was that our indoor sports will always outperform our outdoor sports. I am not sure that is true. It surely wasn’t true when football was king for so many years in the 70’s and 80’s. But I digress.

        You can win in cold weather towns if you commit to winning. Dairy, Mich, MSU, etc. You have to recruit better than other coaches. I think this last week and last few years have shown you can harvest talent from Virginia Beach and FLorida if you have good recruiters. Beatty and Partridge fit that mode.

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        1. Fair enough Huff – at least as it pertains to FB – and understand your comment was tongue-in-cheek. That said, I’m skeptical about Pitt’s chances to compete year in and year out in baseball due to climate. I could be wrong, but that’s how I see it.

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          1. considering football….. I think we need to come to a consensus whether or not teams and leagues supply cashola, fancy vehicles and/or jobs to the parents or not. (BAGMEN).

            Once we all accept this and come to an agreement that PITT does not operate like the big boys we could possibly leave this debate in the rear-view mirror. This is what primarily bothers me when we all know the problem but some still complain about the results knowing why. Savor the wins and accept the losses, as hard as that it is for me to say that. I still think PITT overachieves with all things considered.

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      2. I live in Shadyside and take Osher classes at Pitt year round, It’s been a few years now since there have been bone-chilling cold days in February.

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  45. Nice get for us with the kid from Erie McDowell. Highest rated Pitt recruit since Steven Adams, which is way back almost a decade ago (2011). Finally landed a scorer-go to guy, you gotta have in crunch time.

    Congrats to JC. Now we just need a real PG. Go get him !

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  46. Very annoying that the Trib, has already removed the Pitt top rated recruit headline from it’s frontpage.

    Pitt has got to address the sniping and disrespect it gets from the local rags. The national media takes it’s ques from the local media. No respect locally equals no respect nationally.

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    1. We got 4 Bigs now (Hugley, Amadasun, Coulibaly & T. Brown). While it’s always good to have lots of Bigs, the most important position on the court is PG. Need that guy who doesn’t turn the ball over, can distribute to these new 4 star kids and can hit FT’s at the end of game and a few shots from the outside, so teams can’t sag down on Hugley and company. And you gotta have someone available to be able to take X out, when he’s he stinkin it up. Perhaps even replace him.

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  47. Some items the Trib article, conveniently didn’t feel the need to put in their article. (maybe someone
    can tell us if the PG also omitted some of these Jeffress highlights)

    After recently electing to reclassify from the 2021 class, Jeffress is ranked as the No. 58 overall player in the Class of 2020 and the No. 1 player from the state of Pennsylvania.

    The Erie, Pa., native finished his career as the Trojans’ all-time scoring (1,673 points) and rebounding (578 rebounds) leader in just three seasons.** He is a three-time all-state selection and has twice named PIAA District 10 Player of the Year. **

    “I want to be a part of something special,” Jeffress said. “And I believe that is what’s being built at the University of Pittsburgh.”

    He averaged 24.4 points per game, while scoring 20 or more points in 18 games, including six games with 30 or more points.

    Jeffress also helped Team USA to a gold medal at the 2019 FIBA U16 Americas Championship in Brazil. He becomes Pitt’s first commitment with a gold medal in international competition since James Robinson joined the program prior to the 2012-13 season.

    “They are getting an offensive threat as a scorer, a playmaker, and a person who is a leader on the court,” he said. “One who gives passion and energy to the floor and can defend many positions really well.”

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  48. Capel’s interview focused more on the incoming class which he considers as a 6-man class … includes transfer Horton. He thinks the experience of Johnson and Toney will help but he really seems enthused about all the competition there will be in practice.

    BTW, Jeffress’ mom graduated from Yale Medical at age 22

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    1. Young Mr. Jeffress is an impressive and well-spoken young man.

      But the best part of that video interview was seeing his Mom beaming with pride in the background!

      Go Pitt!

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  49. This Jeffress kid is FIRST CLASS, all the way. And to think, he set scoring and rebounding records at his school, playing in years 14, 15, and 3/4 of 16!

    Can’t wait to see him on the court. Looks like The Pete will be rocking again, soon. I read earlier today, somewhere, that his dad asked JC how long he would be at Pitt. He wanted his son to have only 1 college coach. JC said, ” at least 7 more years”. I thought this to be an odd answer – unless his extended contract is presently for 7 more years. Does anyone know for sure?

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  50. missing what – when are you coming to Savannah? Vacation? Running from Covid? (GA increased cases in the past week by approx 4500! May not be the best place to hide!) But the Coastal area is comparatively low. I think Atlanta has the lion’s share (didn’t mean to bring psux into the conversation).

    Can we get together while you are in the area? Masks optional!

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    1. I’m headed to Hilton Head, SavannahPanther. I have a condo there. I wouldn’t call it a vacation, but I can sit on the beach and read a book, golf, fish, ride a bike, and play tennis. All while staying at least 20 feet away from any other human who isn’t a family member. Beats the alternative: Pennsylvania.

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  51. Yeah this William Jeffress is a very impressive young man. Listen to him talk for 25 seconds and you can figure out why. He speaks of his family first and foremost. Good for you Will. Just remember, education first as well.

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  52. I guess you might have to say best recruiting class ever. Have we got as heralded a player since Charles Smith? Certainly not as a group.

    Will there be a basketball season this year? States that are relaxing social distancing will tell us a lot.

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  53. WAY OT and on a personal note. Eli the “Not so Lucky” just left to go get clipped and I’m not talking about his toenails or his fur coat. Funny how elective surgeries were discontinued for people but not dogs?? and here the poor guy thought he was just going for a ride…

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  54. It wasn’t elective for Eli i’m sure!!!

    Although I have said a lot of positive things about this recruiting class, a quick look at the 2021 Rutgers Football class gives me some pause. In football recruiting the POV often says that the reason that Pitt gets ranked so low is because typically, the other teams have more recruits and we should look at the average stars.

    When we look at average scores of our basketball class, the numbers are still really good and would put us in the top 25, but because of the volume “buy”, our ranking is now 13. Five commits is a lot with perhaps our 6th on the way. The only other teams with 6 recruits are ranked 1st, 2nd and 3rd (Kentucky, Duke & NC).

    We shouldn’t let the numbers diminish the improvement, or temper the enthusiasm as the results give the Pitt fanbase some hope. So, I looked at Pitt’s first coach choice and found that of his first 6 signed recruits, Dan Hurley has brought in 4 four stars. Just giving perspective without being a negative nancy.

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    1. once again, some of you people here actually believe Pitt should be bring in the best prospects available no matter what. Pitt, the mecca of college sports, with its yellow seats or in the case of Pitt BB 2years ago … and 0-18 ACC record

      Hell, why the great prospects aren’t lining is beyond me. And further, apparently you think the 4 star FB players of the Southeast should eschew their local schools to come north.

      In the same token, Mr Hurley, a NJ native who had previous HC stints at Wagner and URI, was supposed to leave his home area and arguably the best HS basketball in the world, and rebuild Pitt from Ground Zero. Do you know that Hurley and his family had to move a whole 60 miles west from URI to UConn.

      Hell …. why not Coach K? Hey, do you want to prove to that you are undeniably the greatest HC over John Wooden ….. turn Pitt from 0 ACC wins into 14 within 3 years!!

      But continue with your fantasies … you have a right to them

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      1. Uncle wwb, you say Pitt can’t because because because. I say Pitt can and I’ll show you how. I may be a real pessimist but I’m very much the optimist and opportunist when it comes to selling. That’s something I’m real good at. Pitt in both basketball and football have many good selling points. My job would be easy.

        Tex

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  55. The new rules about to go into place allowing athletes to be compensated should be a boon for city schools like Pittsburgh. If I were Heather I would be all over local businesses for endorsement deals for athletes. Could be a level setter for the state schools and their big athletic donors. The Big East could see a big resurgence in NYC. It’s going to be interesting in basketball. You have the G-League poaching kids right now but once kids can profit off their likeness, college once again becomes a viable choice. I can already imagine UPMC or PPG or Kraft or US Steel or a huge one in Dick’s paying kids for endorsements.

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    1. are you serious? With the Steelers, Penguins and Pirates in town, advertisers are going after Pitt?

      Here is litmus test …. Baierl is one of the largest car dealers in the area, and also a big booster of Pitt sports. We’ll see what happens … hope something does develop but wouldn’t hold my breath. Hope I’m wrong

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      1. Oh yeah. Lots of entertainment and marketing dollars to go around. I’m not talking million dollar endorsements. Lol. And if the city pays well, the product will get even better.

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  56. Hey Fran, Eli is not all that little. He had to weigh in yesterday for anesthesia purposes. He tipped the scales at 80 lbs and 8 oz at nine months old. I guess we can assume he now weighs just 80 lbs? And no Huff the Third, Eli didn’t have a vote in the procedure. I’m nervous and this little house seems empty without him. Get a dog you people… They help you suck up in this life.

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  57. No reason why Capel can’t land top 75 recruits each year. Pitt has many good selling points and is a vibrant and cosmopolitan city school. That actually means something to any kid growing up in a city. Basketball has an easier recruiting road to travel than football. I see no reason why Capel can’t surpass what Dixon accomplished…one elite 8 in 13 years.

    Tex

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  58. Allowing college athletes to be compensated is the beginning of the end for college sports, at least FB and BB. Just think if 2-3 players on a team get some endorsements or payments, and no one else. What will that do to the locker room?

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  59. I also agree with Tex

    — Pitt plays is the most visible and regarded conference in CBB
    — it plays in an attractive, right-sized on-campus venue with a well-known student rooting section
    — it’s main recruiting base is northeast urban, not much different from Pittsburgh
    — it does not directly compete locally with an NBA team

    And believe it or not, WPa now appears to produce more high quality BB players than FB players. There are 2 Top 100 players from WPa this year. I believe the last time that happened in FB was in 2007 (Baldwin & Pryor)

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    1. Also the weather and city are both much better than Syracuse. Of course we don’t have boosters who pay kids to come here (I hope).

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  60. Yes my son, apparently you say something astute. << Who would have thunk it?

    BYW Baldwin and Pryor were both highly regarded basketball players as well. BTW when Jeannette and Aliquippa squared off in the WPIAL playoffs the floor was filled with great D-1 athletes.

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      1. Eli about to get his his two BBs chopped off. Actually Iek I will wait till we meet but my wife and I have adopted 2 8-10 yoad dogs our newest caused me to trip in the dark, go to hosp to get back check, found ancer in thyroid and just back from surgery. Hope the little guy is full of pep tomorrow, He needs a day to grieve but unless you are breeding to show all dogs should get fixed (hey not the words I would choose,

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        1. Thanks Russ, Eli is our fourth Lab and he’s only here as a family member and friend. Also, they found my cancer when I went to the ER complaining of chest pain. Turns out my heart was just fine but they found 3 tumors, so sometimes there may be a signal from up above to get help. Best wishes to you and great luck. Hope to meet you this coming season. iek..

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  61. Still can’t post a link on WordPress.

    Anyone reads the SBnation site Banner Society? Article deals with giving a CFP spot to the school that creates a vaccine for covid-19. Picture of Dr. Salk at top of article & Pitt mention two or three other times.

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        1. HP laptop using Microsoft edge.

          I used to be able to copy & paste link. Then had WordPress name problems. Got my name back but lost ability to copy & paste on this site.

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    1. I have no problem posting one. You can’t post a link here without a comment too though for some reason. That may be your problem….

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      1. I always try to explain where the link is coming from (ESPN, CBS, etc.) & the reason for the link. Just tried to post link again with comment above & below the copied link. Didn’t work.

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    1. Fake News Stock photo, The Original would never sprinkle parsley or whatever on their Famous Fries.
      Lazy b * s t 8 r d s.

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  62. Tex, you may be right that a few paid players might put up the beer money for all, but what makes you so sure they would be so generous? And I can see where some players would begin to play for their stats, instead of just winning the FB or BB game, if they thought they could get more visibility and attract some sponsorships. This could create petty jealousies that turn into a cancer and destroy team unity. If they must get paid, using bag men might be the better way for them to get paid on the QT.

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    1. I totally agree. a athlete would be incented to play for the sponsor over the team. The sponsor cares about splash. And splash might not help the team win games.

      Tex

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  63. Let’s see if the punchline to the SBnation’s Banner Society will work.

    But at the end of the day, offering a trade – a vaccine for a Playoff spot – wouldn’t even change that much about college football.
    The big difference is that instead of ruining someone’s championship dreams with some stupid upset en route to a 5-7 record, Pitt would now simply take that team’s Playoff spot.

    Cardiac Hill is the one of the 300+ sites under the SBnation umbrella.

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  64. web- I doubt Eli will have any problem social distancing when he gets back home. He’ll probably just lay around whimpering.

    Iek – better watch out – Eli may be P.O’d that you told so many on Pitt POV about such a personal procedure.

    Hopefully, he won’t talk about you on Canine POV when you have your procedure. 😉

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    1. They sent him home with this super duper cone on his head. Made me sick to my stomach. I went out to the shed and got a floaty out, cut it to five small pieces then pulled a small rope through the holes to connect them…. Much better! Eli is a little dopey tonight. I think it runs in the family?

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  65. I have had problems with word press after I clean my cpu but it’s easily corrected if I just start over from scratch entering my email and my screen name. Then hitting remember me. ?? As far as copy and paste Richard. Mozilla firefox allows me to post youtube now. AND I always copy a longer comment if and when a thought crosses my cranium that requires more than a sentence or two. << not very often.

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  66. @wwb – I think you like to argue with me and that’s okay. You asked why Hurley would leave an area he is accustomed to in order to come to Pitt? Ask Bobby Hurley why he left the same area, where he has the same contacts and a better reputation as a player why he went to Arizona St. It was about the money. He leveraged our AD and got a nice bounce from UConn as a result.

    Not at Wwb – I am thinking that all the people that comment on here and point out alleged reason after reason why Pitt can’t do this or that are the real negative Nancy’s. It just came to me and it plays out. Many long for the old days of 10 win seasons and instead of putting in the work to get us there……we just say….we can’t because of……this and that and this and that. That is where same old pitt started and that’s why so many believe in the saying

    Don’t tell that to Capel. That’s why I adopted his III from day one. He is a believer in him first and he is going to be successful. He is “willing” himself to success. I just don’t see that with the football coach, the AD, the administration or the fanbase.

    The Pirates are not our competition. The Pirates are the biggest farce in the city of pittsburgh since the 1990s. Pitt athletics is the next biggest farce. Pulling the hearts out of sportsfans and practicing social distancing since 1984.

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  67. Huff, so your argument is that Dan Hurley’s brother went to Arizona? And you totally ignore the fact Dan had spent his entire life in the greater NYC area?

    Born and raised in NJ, played at Seton Hall and coached at the following:

    1996–1997 St. Anthony HS (assistant)
    1997–2001 Rutgers (assistant)
    2001–2010 St. Benedict’s Prep
    2010–2012 Wagner
    2012–2018 Rhode Island
    2018–present Connecticut

    Makes sense to me …… NOT!!

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  68. Well of course it wouldn’t make any sense because most coaches go to the big east now and flip their noses at the ACC. It was about the money and probably a lack of respect for the newly minted AD at Pitt. He schooled our AD and used her for leverage. Had UConn not upped the ante’, he sure would have come to Pitt. Give me a break. Had she not taken so long in the first place UConn wouldn’t have been in the picture. I am glad she fumbled and turned the coach over to Uconn.

    Coaches aren’t married to locations. Its not in their DNA. They follow the money if they are good, and go wherever the next job is, if they are not good (fired). For every 1 coach that has stayed in one spot their entire career, there are 100 that moved multiple times and he would have also if our AD pulled the trigger earlier. I used Bobby Hurley because he had the exact background EXCEPT he played four years at Duke. Coached at Wagner, Rhode Island, Buffalo, played at St. Bens in new jersey. He left NY for $$$

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  69. Hurley was an ass at buffalo. My buffalo insiders have plenty of stories on that douche bag. I’m glad pitt didn’t get Hurley fries. He was heathers first choice but not mine. Guess pitt didn’t do their due diligence.

    Tex

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