FrankCam Cup Golf Announcement

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The FrankCan Cup Golf has been scheduled for 2:00 pm. September 2, 2022 at Willowbrook CC.
Thanks to PittFan1 for securing the Tee Times.

The price per golfer is $75 which should cover golf and some prizes. Cash Bar and Food afterwards.
Anyone that wants to sponsor additional prizes is welcome to do so.

Since Fran will have his hands full with his famous tailgate the night before, I have agreed to coordinate the event.

Please send your checks to me at:

Gordon Conn
1336 Knollwood Dr.
Monroeville PA 15146

Sorry, I don’t do Venmo etc.

Also specify the names and pseudonyms of your foursome, so I can begin a spreadsheet. If you don’t have a foursome we will pair you up. Please remit as soon as possible so we have an idea of how many tee times we will need.

The event will be a scramble, rules to be determined.

This event has been great fun and all are welcome including non-golfers who want to hang out with fellow POVers. Willowbrook is a Country Club so please dress and act accordingly.

If you have any questions, contact me at gaconn68@gmail.com

191 thoughts on “FrankCam Cup Golf Announcement

  1. Thank you, Gordon, for coordinating this event.

    And a thank you to PittFan1 for getting us on his course. It was fun up there the last time.

    Go Pitt.

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  2. Way to go gc, your hard work is much appreciated. You have some big shoes to fill though. Rick Fran and others always great!

    Anyone see the trib today. Cameron Lindsey from Aliquippa (sound familiar) 6’1 201 lbs to be junior. Look out, he’s a must get already.

    https://www.hudl.com/profile/14899540

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  3. MissingWlat is SO IN for this event! Wary of Erie Express and Lastrow bringing in ringers. Like that’s never happened before!!!

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  4. If more Pitt fans had his passion, Pitt would have the fanbase and cred needed to become Power Two and to eventually get a lucrative invite to the super league.

    But most Pitt alums rarely attended a game as students. Most alums don’t donate to athletics. Most alums just don’t care. I blame the culture created by a Nitter BOT back in the 80’s.

    In two years, Pitt will be playing central Florida, east Carolina, UConn and Elon in football. Pitts football budget will be slashed since no network is gonna want to broadcast these games and no fan is going to buy a ticket to watch this trash.

    Yet narduzzi affectionately known as King Pat is locked in at $8million with an escalation clause. Way to go Heather.

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  5. Ike, I’ll be at OBX in august. In Corolla. Chances I see heather there when Clemson and FSU bolt to the SEC and Virginia and North Carolina accept a Big Ten invite. I think 90 percent. Should I set the odds higher? Should I thank her for HCPN’s albatross contract after all this? If I do meet her, I’ll of course compliment her on the yellow bathing suit and I’ll personally offer my services to rework her resume for an AD position at Indiana. How does that sound? 😎

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    1. Lone Star, after mentioning Heather’s Yellow swimsuit and reading further I thought you were going to personally offer … to apply her suntan lotion.

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    1. GC, totally agree. Most OLmen take 2-3 years to develop. I really like Kradel, probably will land in the NFL. My biggest concern on the OL is Drexel Owens,,seems a bit undersized and got handled/bad snaps in a few games including the Wake game..he is the weak-link coming off of last year but hopefully, in the off-season he upped his game.

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  6. If Pitt had a BOT that prioritized athletics, Pitt would be top 2. You can complain about Heather and Duzz all you want but the buck starts and ends with the BOT. Need their investment to make a leap in status. Otherwise, Heather and Duzz are doing it the right way with what they have. Just reality.

    I’m old enough top remember when some people here chased Jamie Dixon out of town. The reason that failed is not because Jamie Dixon was a savant coach … it was because Pitt did not have the infrastructure to be better. That comes from the top. Wanny left because he did not have the infrastructure needed to keep building a program. The SI article was the catalyst to cutting ties with him but the reason he did not get along with SP was money from Pitt.

    Boosters and all that will come from Pitt investing in them … Pitt is where they choose to be. Turn on the spigot and Pitt will have donors lining up …

    You spend too much time focusing on middle management, Tex. Duzz is building a fine program with what he’s given. Heather is doing fine with what she has, too.

    I understand wanting more and expecting more and not settling … but Pitt has limitations. And it’s not boosters and donors and alumni and attendance and viewership … it’s the BOT’s reluctance to invest more in Pitt athletics.

    Nothing more. Nothing less. Everything else is just noise and you spend way too much time complaining about the noise.

    We have 30 years of data showing that every Pitt football coach has the same ceiling and floor. It’s not the coaches. It’s the school. Athletic directors come and go. Football coaches come and go. Same exact thing happens every single time.

    Heather, Duzz have zero affect on NCAAF. Zero. If Pitt wants to be in the P2 … they will be. They have the money to make it happen. If they don’t, they won’t.

    W’s and L’s won’t matter. Boosters won’t matter.

    School investment will. That’s it.

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  7. Alea iacta est (The die is cast) >>Yeah, I took Latin. It is too late to change Pitt’s fortunes in the scheme of what is transpiring in search of much greater media money. The bottom line is that Pittsburgh is not a huge TV market, Pitt’s fanbase is MUCH MUCH smaller than PSUX”S and there are other very viable options for the new MEGA conference to choose.. The only way (outside chance) that we have is for Pitt to somehow have a miracle football season (losing no more than 1 game) and winning a major bowl. The focus would shift to those who would say, “Pitt is a football power and must be included in the new conference (It ain’t gonna happen). Let’s all get off our preconceived opinions about the BOT, Duzzi and Miss Fanta because there are other schools with so, so athletic records, coaches, AD’s, academics and inept BOT’s that will be included in the $$$ Conference. As I have said before (I was in national broadcast advertising for more than 35 years) this all about counting eyeballs to view advertising on the networks that win the soon to be decided
    media contracts>>>>>and that’s all it will ever be!!!

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  8. Great story on the Lair about Daniels calling Narduzzi early on Saturday to inform him of his intention to commit to Minnesota. During the call or just there after he changed his mind and decided to commit to Pitt. A great sales job by Narduzzi that I’m sure Tex is now prepared to give our head coach great credit for.

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      1. And Slovis doesn’t count since he was relegated to fourth string under Lincoln and has a girlfriend who’s the soccer captain at Pitt. Slovis will end up with the sack record over Sackseri. He’s a French statue in the pocket.

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  9. Lone Star, I love Corolla.
    Stayed at the Currituck Club last month.
    Have a great time!

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  10. I would expect the acc to either add big 12 schools or combine with the big 12 to form a super conference. Yes it will get unwieldy and scheduling and logistics will become nightmares. But it’s survival first.

    So today the acc stands at 14 football members. The domers are another 0.5 since they play 5-6 acc schools every year.

    I can see the acc losing at least four current members to either the big ten or sec. So let’s say ten acc schools are left. A conference needs at least 16 but I say let’s go for twenty and two divisions.

    So what ten schools make the invite list? I’ll tell you.

    Navy
    WVU
    Cincy
    TCU
    Houston
    Texas Tech
    Baylor
    CFU
    South Florida
    East Carolina

    https://theathletic.com/3396152/2022/07/02/big-ten-pac-12-realignment-questions/?amp=1

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    1. Your prediction is not too far off. Sports Illustrated has a detailed study of the future of college football and Pitt, Syracuse, and BC are outside looking in. ND will jump to the Big/10/15/20 because it makes sense for them on many levels and the NBC contract will be negotiated…….money talks and the Domers are in the driver’s seat. The ACC is in HUGE trouble and Pitt sadly has almost NO LEVERAGE to convince any new startup conference to include Western Pa already covered by PSUX.

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  11. I purposely avoided any school north of the Red River. It’s all Indian territory to me until Canada.

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  12. Will Pitt fans support a conference with Temple, Bc, Syracuse, Army, Wake Forest,. Kent State, Buffalo, etc>>>>of course not. Prediction (I hate this) Pitt will develop into a basketball school with an enormous focus on academics and Heinz Field will not see college football after the next 5-7 years……we are in the hands of PSUX and Notre Dame>>>>lotsa luck.

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    1. That would be atrocious and if the ACC commish allowed that to happen, we’ll I can’t say what should happen to him.

      I did notice the first five teams left out are all in heavy pro sports cities.

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      1. That’s why the acc needs to begin poaching the big 12 before the big 12 poaches the pac ten or even some acc schools. I’d be proactive on this and extend immediate offers to all the major Texas schools except smu. That’s four more schools making the acc stand at 18. I’d then offer WVU and Cincy.

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        1. If there are three 20-team conferences, will there be a split from the NCAA and these conferences going to four, five-team pods?

          A pod of Pitt, Syracuse, BC, WVU and either Cincy or Louisville would be pretty cool.

          Also, will we see a conference semifinal game played between two pods with the winner facing the champ from the other pods game?

          This can get exciting or be awful if Pitt is left out in the cold.

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          1. Fortunately we have a guy from BC? now as commish.

            He knows his alma mater is an outsider looking in. So he’ll do whatever it takes to preserve the acc.

            And I do think you need to have the survival instinct kick in right now. Be very proactive and begin making offers immediately. And assume the worst.

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    2. I think it is pure speculation that is no more clairvoyant than your or my thoughts at this point. My thoughts: I think there will be at least three conferences (four works best for playoffs). If there are only two, as this SI article states, they will both be coast to coast. They will not be two parts of the same league. They will be competitors for the all mighty TV dollar. That being the case, I don’t see it likely that the SEC decides to simply concede the fifth most populous state to the big. The SEC will have a PA team and it will be Pitt…Unless the Big 10 makes a preemptive move and snags Pitt before the SEC can. Speculation is easy!

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  13. Pitt fans will support any conference and any schedule. Pitt fans are one of the most loyal fan bases since most schools would have been emotionally crushed after what the Killer Bs and J Dennis did to Pitt back in the mid 80’s to early 90’s. I witnessed that first hand.

    Pitt will just have a near zero chance at any future playoff or hopes for a national title.

    I’m fine with that as long as Pitt can become consistently good. Meaning 8-9 win seasons and the occasional conference title or new years bowl assuming bowls continue to be played.

    And if Pitt can still get some players into the NFL that become stars.

    And there’s always a chance when this super league forms down the road. If the concept of promotion and relegation exists like it does in the premier league, Pitt can play itself in by earning it.

    Temple gets me more excited than playing duke or wake forest.

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    1. O.K. I am going to be sarcastic……please take your meds>>>>Pitt fans barely support our present football team and Heinz is usually glowing with empty yellow seats. Basketball is something we don’t talk about because if the ACC gets decimated who do we play??

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  14. The only leverage Pitt has is to go 11-0 or 10-1 and be in the picture for a National Championship which I believe is possible this year.

    This conference consolidation has been coming for years. NIL JUST fueled the fire. This is why Pitt needs a 5/10/20 year plan and a committee on unintended consequences! (See Pitt Stadium removal)

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  15. Happy 4th. ACC needs ND obviously but needs to invite Navy, Army and Air Force immediately to become an All American conference. SEC and B10 would be very jealous.

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  16. danh72 you have clear vision. Pitt has to win ’em all or 10-1 as I previously said. Our fanbase does not attend most games with more than 35-40,000 and our alumni support for athletics is way below many other schools.
    Pittsburgh is NOT a MJOR TV MARKET! Advertisers count eyeballs for TV and ears for radio– the story of my professional advertising career (national radio) THE TRUTH HURTS!!

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  17. I’ll miss playing Duke and UNC every year in FB. Win or lose, we’ve had some very competitive and entertaining games with those schools…

    Go Pitt.

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  18. No offense to anyone here, but I believe NCAA FB is far too fluid for any long term plans. But yes to short-term contingencies

    Having said all that … if ND decides to stay independent, then I don’t see any reason for any panic. The reasons that SEC took in Tex and Okla and B10 took in USC and UCLA was for TV market and recruiting expansion. Tex and Cali are two of the best recruiting areas

    Conversely, Clemson and FSU are already in the SEC footprint. Not sure if teams like Zona, Sanford or Oregon wouldn’t be more appealing

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    1. ND staying independent…..not for too long because they can hold an auction between the ACC and B10 for compensation. ND stayed independent for the NBC Benjamins.

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  19. UCLA and USC were chomping at the bit to join the BiG because Pac10 money was less than half per year what is received by a school like Nebraska or Iowa///////money talks and everybody walks.

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  20. Not worried about the future or the past, what is important to me is the now. Pitt football just had its best season in years and the prospects for this year and the next couple years looks pretty good.

    Capel looks to be rising like the Phoenix from the ashes of despair which was totally unexpected. Will these guys jell into a competitive group, who knows but that is about as far into the future that I am interested in.

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  21. Given Pitts long standing mediocrity, incompetent athletic leadership through the years, deemphasizing football every time Pitt is on the cusp of greatness, some bad luck, and really poor decisions made by the BOT, I’m truly amazed Pitt can get even 35,000 fans to half way fill up Heinz. To me in a pro sports town, that’s loyalty or we’ve all got some serious psychological issues.

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  22. Zeiss on the FAN this morning says for Pitt not to panic. There eventually will be 4 divisions in college football with 60 teams. Pitt, he says, has the 45th largest college tv market (really?) and will be included.

    Happy 4th to all! Wish I could make it to the FRANCAN!

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    1. It actually has the 47th. Roughly 1.1 million fans. All depends on the source and methodology. But Pitt is most definitely outside the top 40. And frankly Zeise should be worried as well as every Pitt fan. If the acc loses 4-6 schools to other conferences, espn will tear up the contract and it’s highly doubtful that any other network will come to the rescue. Either the acc needs to poach the big 12 now or Pitt should apply for membership in the big 12. This GOR is meaningless if a conference dissolves and has no TV suitor or a vastly finished contract.

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  23. PITT will average way over 35,000 fans this year unless they start out 0-2 which is what happens in the two simulated games on youtube.

    Have a safe and HAPPY Fourth of July everyone!

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  24. Easy solution. The ACC should partner with what is left of the PAC12 for a new conference.

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  25. The acc needs this kind of mentality and this kind of leader. The big 12 is more preferred over the pac 10. Let’s merge the two conferences and settle on the best 24 schools now. Don’t delay.

    Assuming six leave the acc, here are my 24

    Texas tech
    TCU
    Baylor
    Houston
    Okie state
    Kansas
    Kansas state
    Iowa state
    Cincy
    Byu
    Central Florida
    South Florida
    WVU
    Louisville
    Pitt
    Syracuse
    Bc
    Va tech
    Virginia
    Nc state
    Wake
    Duke
    Ga tech
    Navy

    https://247sports.com/college/kansas-state/LongFormArticle/College-football-conference-realignment-Big-12-USC-UCLA-Big-Ten-SEC-ACC-Pac-12-expansion-189474893/Amp/

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    1. I’d like the ACC, Big12 and PAC 10 to join forces. Create their own super league and never schedule the SEC or Big10. Have their own national championship playoffs and title game.

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      1. Oh, Pitt better cancel that series with Wisconsin once the dust settles. That would be a little league move by Pitt keeping the Badgers on just for a possible sellout.

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  26. Let’s see if I understand this correctly…looking strictly by the numbers, if the elite league ends up being 40 teams, Pitt is out. If 48;teams Pitt is on the bubble, and if 60 teams Pitt is in. I understand it’s all about the money. Should the total pool of TV money be more as the league gets larger?

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  27. Outkick has an article on Miami QB recruit Jaden Rashada…just signed for supposedly 9 mil…Whoa Nellie!!!!

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    1. Rashada was ranked by 247Sports as the #9 (out of 20) quarterback after the recent Elite 11 camp for 2023. Pitt’s Kenny Minchy was ranked #5. So if $9M gets you #9, what did it take to get #5?

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      1. Maybe Minchey should decommit and sign a SUPER NIL deal with the highest bidder so that he can buy a nice BMW SUV instead of a Jeep.

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  28. In the last week alone, Miami has flipped a Clemson commit, a Georgia commit and got a blue chip OL from IMG Academy. Lotsa of money being spent in South Florida

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    1. You can’t buy a championship without good coaching, but they sure have been trying for many, many years.

      Go Pitt!

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  29. Thinking outside the box. What could convince notre dame. For some reason they have historically spurned the big ten. They are an acc school with the exception for football and seem to like the acc. Many of their alumni live along the eastern seaboard.

    What if the acc went after penn state. That gets penn state out of Ohio states shadow. Would adding those power schools be enough to convince Clemson and Florida state to stay.

    At the same time I’d make overtures to Rutgers and Maryland.

    Adding Cincy, WVU and CFU if necessary.

    And then of course, the tv payout should be based on performance and tv ratings. That means unequal sharing. But I think that’s only fair.

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  30. CFU, CINCY and WVU bring NO $$$ to the table for TV ratings>>>nada. Penn State would never, ever move without knowing what the new TV contract would bring to Happy.Valley. Come to think of it how about the TV ratings for a Rutgers//Duke Game Ugleee.

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  31. Since 2015, 13 schools have appeared in the College Football Playoffs. Of those, only 6 have appeared more than once and two of those only twice. These are, essentially, the teams that matter. The rest will be added to fill schedules (cannon fodder). Which teams and how many are in the conferences and pods will depend solely on how much content the broadcasters need. The usual suspects (with one or two cinderellas for good human interest stories) will be in the playoffs every year. As isnore said, this is about eyeballs not footballs.

    H2P!!!

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  32. I imagine a world where young men go to college to get a free education for their commitment to the schools athletic team to become employable in the outside when finished with school…………….Oh well

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  33. ND will go to the Big10 and it will be one of the easiest choices they’ve ever made. It will cost them but be worth it.

    The Big 10 and SEC are on a collision course to create their own playoff. 8 teams. 4 from each conference. That will be the impetus to ND joining.

    If the ACC and the 12’s were smart they would create a third conference. Create a 12 team playoff with that Big 10 and SEC with each conference getting 4 schools in.

    Big 10 should try to add ND, FSU, Stanford and Virginia. That would make them a 20 team super conference.

    SEC should try for UNC, Clemson, Miami and Oregon to get them to 20.

    ACC and the 12’s plus should form the following alliance with the remaining schools …

    Pac-12 contribution: Washington, Arizona, Utah and Colorado
    Big 12 contribution: BYU, Cincinnati, UCF, Houston, Baylor, WVU, OKST, TCU, Iowa State
    ACC contribution: Louisville, Pitt, VT, Duke, NCST
    Randoms: JMU, East Carolina

    The ACC and the 12’s membership factors in potential more than recent contributions. I don’t see a case for BC for Cuse. Cuse being the most difficult cut from the ACC.

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    1. There is a reason notre dame has repeatedly spurned the big ten advances. A reason why they are acc.

      I think the acc can offer them a better deal with favorable revenue sharing to their liking

      If the acc can hold together, I would think the acc with notre dame and penn state is worth more than the big ten. And if I were the acc I’d expand to twenty and bring in the next four largest markets. That may include Washington, Oregon, TCU and Houston.

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      1. Nope. They spurn them because they want football independence. The ACC accommodates them. Once ND is not playoff eligible they’ll join a conference and it will be the Big 10.

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    2. I say include all the teams. I don’t care if they end up with 30 teams. ACC and the twelves should do their own thing.

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  34. I still like Navy, Army and Air Force with ND of course. Lots of eyeballs and markets and rivalries.

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  35. Off topic but funny how former Big East BBall teams, Pitt, SYR, BC and Louisville all stunk last year. Acc seems to be the kiss of death.

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  36. I agree with you about ND. The ACC had better get the motors running to make a move with the Big12 and the Pac10 minus 2 or more.. The ACC can be the Coast-to-Coast League!! I have very little faith in the ACC’s leadership and believe me I truly hope I am wrong.

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  37. Pitt to some extent is cursed by geography. Cursed by a population decline. Cursed by some very bad decisions made by so called leadership back in the 80’s and 90’s. Cursed by being a regional brand with limited national appeal. Cursed by being mediocre across most sports in most years. Cursed by being in a pro sports town.

    Only a voodoo witch from new Orleans can lift the curse. But she’s gonna want $10 million and Pitt couldn’t even afford Addison for three.

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  38. If penn state and notre dame were to join the acc, the total fanbase would stand at 38 million

    The big ten with recent additions of usc and ucla would stand at 43 million.

    Acc at 16 schools. Big ten at 14.

    So the big ten payout per school would still be higher unless the acc forgoes equal revenue sharing and that may be enough to convince notre dame.

    Notre dame is the only school with true national appeal so I would think they would receive a special premium above and beyond their sheer fanbase figures.

    The big ten could sweeten the pot by adding Washington and Oregon or by raiding the acc and trapping Virginia and North Carolina.

    The acc is in a position of weakness.

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    1. As indicated before the announcement, the big10 will NOT add oregon and washington to the league. There is no benefit to the Big to make that move. NONE! Zero. The crazy thing, is that oregon and washington have no idea why they bring no benefit to inclusion. Pitt brings no benefit either, Sorry. Pitt doesn’t know why either and hasn’t known for years. It isn’t because of State Penn. Could Pitt have a chance if they made some massive changes, a resounding yes, but it is probably too late.

      I am no longer in the free advice space since our AD would not give credence to the POV suggestion box that Reed sent Borghetti. I can tell you with high confidence that what you are seeing and reading is much different than what is actually being talked about in Big leadership offices (Pres and ADs offices). I will gladly say I got it wrong if Oregon, Washington or Pitt gets invited.

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      1. No one wants them due to travel and time zone concerns IMO. The B1G could add Oregon sometime in the future but Washington is no better than Pitt in sports or TV draw….and their TV time zone hurts them too.

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  39. Maybe some oil zillionaire will offer a young 5***** star a couple of working oil wells…..the whole money thing is completely spinning out of control and the NCAA is absolutely USELESS.

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    1. Pitt doesn’t even pay its OC and DC anywhere close to one million. Old Pappy was making around $600k last I saw. And that came with 50 years of experience.

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    2. After the BIG 10 and SEC get their new deals, assistant position coaches will make a $1M. I wonder if one of their teams needs someone to catch for their kickers. I’ll do that for $200k+

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  40. Great article in the Atlantic Journal-Constitution regarding Pitt’s historic role in football segregation:

    “Film to focus on Georgia Tech, fight against segregation at 1956 Sugar Bowl – A pivotal moment in college football history is coming to the big screen with Georgia Tech and the University of Pittsburgh at the forefront. The film will focus on the impact Pitt football player Bobby Grier and Georgia Tech President Blake Van Leer made on the 1956 Sugar Bowl that shined a light on segregation in the Deep South…In November 1955, the Sugar Bowl committee invited No. 7 Tech to take on No. 11 Pittsburgh on Jan. 2, 1956. However, the spotlight shifted from football to segregation when Georgia Gov. Marvin Griffin demanded that Tech forfeit the game if Grier, Pitt’s Black fullback, were allowed to play against their all-white team..”

    -https://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-tech/georgia-tech-segregation-at-forefront-of-coming-film-about-1956-sugar-bowl/K3JNAKSA55EPHKWRMWTAOA4SVY/

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  41. Gordon – I finally got around to sending you a check for the POV golf event. Thanks again for handling this…

    Go Pitt.

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  42. About 25-30 minutes but captures the realistic state of college football pretty well. Obviously just one set of opinions.

    For those that have highlighted the deficiencies of Pitt’s leadership over the years, this appears to be the inevitable outcome. I would say it looks to be too late to be in the upper side of the new balance of power. Too bad but not surprising.

    H2P!

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  43. A lot of conference realignment is led by Disney through ESPN. The media, which used to be on the verge of bankruptcy in the 80s, is now a billion dollar industry.

    The major media networks have been using sensationalism to drive emotions with the news they present in order to attract more viewers for more advertising.

    One way for the ACC to circumnavigate what ESPN wants is for the ACC to go after teams themselves, as many have suggested.

    If I were them, I would send out invites to Texas A&M (who seemed displeased with Texas joining the sec,) Psu, Wvu, Kansas and Kansas St. (Good for bbal/football) and Oklahoma St.
    Then I would let Notre Dame know about it.
    After that, talk to the Pac12, remaining big12 teams, and whoever else is around, and see about forming a West Coast/Midwest conference to be paired with an East Coast conference.
    If they are all desiring, they can then put the aforementioned Midwest teams into the west and have one 30 team mega conference.

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  44. IMO Pitt’s fate comes down to this. Many are predicting (such as Herbstreet) that CFB will end up with 2 major conferences … SEC and B10. If so, Pitt is likely screwed

    If not, Pitt will likely be included in any set up that would include 3 or 4 conferences.

    You can continue the name blame but it all comes down to major things: Location and enrollment (or in other words, booster $$)

    Trivia question: list the the following in order of enrollment …. Pitt, Kent St, UCF

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  45. I believe the bottom line is that Fox and ESPN are looking at a model similar to the NFL (or at least trying to get closer to that) where the likelihood of meaningful games is much higher than today. For sure too many match-ups that are not exciting.

    As such, too many options would dilute the product and hence the total number of targeted schools will remain limited. That’s why just the 2 super leagues seems to be the outcome.

    That puts a lot of pretty good schools, probably Pitt, on the outside looking in.

    I would argue that overall Pitt is a better football school then some already in the Big but for sure does not add to the overall revenue. That’s pretty much what WBB pointed out.

    Good for those already in…

    H2P!

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  46. So out of this two super and imagined conference format, how many teams would be from the North-East? I’m having a hard believing only two teams will be included in THE major college football league? That doesn’t sound right in any way? Who am I forgetting?

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  47. Rutgers certainly hasn’t earned a slot, and it’s possible that I suppose that it’s get shoved out,.. especially if it’s determined that it is not an influencer in the NY/NJ market

    Which leads to why the Northeast will likely have only one or two teams … it’s made up of a bunch of NFL cities that can care less about CFB. I’m pretty sure that the fave CFB team in NYC is ND and certainly not Rutgers. He has, I’m not so sure LA is crazy about CFB, but it’s a great recruiting area as is Texas

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  48. Great New York Times article saying college FB really about ESPN vs FOX or SEC vs B10
    We in the middle but ACC beholding to maybe ESPN

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  49. Pretty low assessment of Pitt in this article

    https://amp.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/article263182888.html

    But the rankings make sense

    And this GOR has a good chance of being thrown out in court if the acc falls apart. And if not schools will settle for cents on the dollar. It’s never at par. Always a heavy discount.

    Looking more like the Power Three with the pac 10 and acc going the way of the dodo.

    Funny how Cincy and CFU will get a seat at the adult table while Pitt will most likely be eating with its cousins Syracuse and Wake in the basement.

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  50. Thinking Rutgers is in and safe due to the TV market.

    PSU is about Northeast, more so than Pitt.

    Best case is to somehow create a 3rd super conference.

    Not sure if the TV money is there. Would be great if NBC decided to participate and leverage ND in the process.

    H2P!

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    1. Pitt is doing nothing. The acc is asleep at the switch and have all their chips on the domers. Just very poor leadership across the board.

      Only way domers join is if they get huge time scheduling flexibility and the lions share of revenues. Clemson would immediately call the sec if that was offered. Conference would be toast.

      The acc is going the route of the dinosaur and Pitt still thinks they are T-Rex with a brain.

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    2. Ike, the big 12 has been very open and transparent. Very aggressive and proactive. What has the acc been?

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  51. As acc commissioner for a day, here’s what I’d do. I’d merge with the big 12 and add gold domers, nitters and Rutgers and Maryland. I’d give the domers four free games they can schedule. Most likely usc, navy, Michigan and some rotating non conference school. I’d also give the domers a larger cut of the revenues based on performance and tv ratings.

    This would be a 32 school conference with 8 divisions. Coast to coast.

    Am I off my meds?

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  52. So what should Pitt be doing?

    Calling the B1G or the SEC? For all we know, they are, but we all know that’s going nowhere. Should they ask for membership in the Big 12? I just don’t think that would be a smart move for a multitude of reasons. #1 The ACC is intact at this point. #2 There is the GoR. #3 What would that gain us?

    The Big 12 is not gonna be part of the club no matter how many they add. If a couple of teams get poached from the ACC, I guess that leaves the ACC in the same position as the Big 12. There are many other teams out there that could be included.

    In addition to this, what about non -revenue sports? This almost seems like the beginning of the end to them. I’d rather Pitt play regionally and be able to hold onto other sports. If the argument is that making more football money would allow non-revenue teams to travel further, well, maybe. But I think NIL is gonna demand more and more money. Flying a volleyball team across the country is gonna be eliminated.

    Just my two cents… and please let me know if my reasoning has failed me.

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  53. Didn’t see your comments above before I posted, Lone Star, but my concerns remain.

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  54. Isn’t what you’re proposing FCS 2.0? Isn’t that going to happen anyway? I don’t know.

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  55. All except adding the teams you mentioned from the B1G and Notre Dame. I don’t think that’s going to happen unless they start kicking schools out.

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  56. What Pitt should be doing is going over the acc back and teaming up with Cincy, Louisville, WVU, Syracuse and Virginia tech. I’d apply for membership in the big 12 or 24. The acc will not survive. Domers aren’t going to join. And Clemson is on their way out for $70 million more reasons.

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  57. But Pitt is passive. Reactive. Scared. But like todays acc. You can’t hitch your ride to one school who has all the leverage for at least the next four years. Cut bait and find another fishing hole. And if your bait don’t work, 🧨 is great at getting a large fish to surface. The acc should say you are all in or you’re all out. But Shaun I would make special concessions and that may upset Clemson. So be it. Domers have five times the fanbase.

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  58. Domers could certainly help bail out the ACC but I doubt they are thinking that.

    Maybe worst case is a new expanded conference for Pitt that includes WVU, Louisville, Cincinnati, you know, like ole times.

    Might be OK.

    H2P!

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  59. Before I call the Pitt ticket office for (4) tickets for the wvcc game, I thought I’d check with my POV brothers & sisters to see if you knew anyone with extra or unused tickets for paying clientele.

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  60. I heard on the radio today that some Pitt Law School alum is gifting something like 73 million bucks to Pitt. Could I have heard that correctly?

    Anyway, it wasn’t to pay Narduzzi, it was for academics. Curses!

    😊

    Go Pitt.

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    1. That’s great news. I read P5 conference academic rankings and FSU surpassed Pitt. Those millions should help the incoming chancellor clean up what Patrick allowed to happen.

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    2. The Law School’s ratings have been sinking and are disgraceful when compared with Pitt’s other graduate schools. I would be suprised to see the massive donation go entirely to law. Pitt needs academic support in many areas and a massive sports donation would be nice, but our football problems will not be resolved with money, sadly we are stuck in a state dominated by one major power and that power in cow country IS NOT OUR FRIEND!!

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      1. isnore, PITT sits on a $4 bil endowment-…hat is a number most people can’t grasp It takes about 32 years of counting one number for second 24/7 to reach 1 billion..128 years to reach 4 bil…..PITT has no financial problems…

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          1. Pitt highly ranked, however, note the enormous size of the top ranked public universities//and//or the well known fact that alumni support/fund raising for schools like UVA and UNC is WAAAY above Pitt.

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        1. Pitt is very limited in how it uses the endowment. Only about $150 million each year is discretionary. Pitt is in a financial crunch without state aid.

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  61. It’s surprising that so many in this space are predicting the demise of the ACC. Of course, if the entire sports conference concept falls apart then the ACC would collapse as well. But if cooler heads prevail in college sports, there will be an understanding that the conference setup is best for basketball and the minor sports.

    Aside from a few colleges who are crazy football nuts, the university presidents will not preside over the destruction of minor sports that are an important constituency of college life. State schools will hear from their state legislatures if they even think about eliminating minor sports so that schools like Rutgers can play UCLA in football. And I don’t think that Clemson or FSU want to be another Pedo, which is a good football program that never wins anything.

    What is the point of increasing football revenue by huge amounts if the minor sports are gone? The ACC has hidden strengths in its people who support basketball and the minor college sports, and I predict they will get ND to join, whatever it takes, and then add another team for balance. Likewise, other conferences will feel the political pressure to remain intact. If I am Pitt, and some alum offers $100 million to the university if it will agree to eliminate minor sports, the answer would obviously be no because the broadbased mission includes offering athletic opportunities to its student body.

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  62. The ACC may not be dead yet! Some key points below, but read the entire article to get more details:

    “Officials from the ACC and Pac-12 are discussing a broadcasting partnership with ESPN that would bring together the two Power 5 leagues from opposite coasts for a mutually beneficial relationship, sources tell Sports Illustrated….The proposal, still in its infancy, heavily involves the ESPN-owned ACC Network. Under the plan, the ACC Network—or a renamed entity combining the two leagues—will have exclusive rights to broadcast Pac-12 games to West Coast households through ESPN cable providers. The agreement is not a merger or consolidation of the leagues but is instead built around a media rights agreement ….The ACC is expected to receive long-sought additional television revenue; ESPN gets a piece of Pac-12 inventory; and the Pac-12 presumably stays intact, with its 10 remaining members getting an attractive TV arrangement.”

    https://www.si.com/college/2022/07/06/acc-pac-12-espn-tv-partnership-discussions

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    1. I could live with being in the Big 12 and having WVU and Cincinnati as FB and BB yearly rivals. Sure would beat being in the Coastal Conference listed in that scenario.

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  63. with all this craziness going on with Div 1 football, I find myself searching out re-runs with Keith Jackson calling the game…..I find that soothing and maybe even therapeutic…..Take me back in time…I am ready to get off this ride !!!

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  64. Right Biggie-B, give me a WAC football game with Bud Wilkinson early in the day and “Whoa, Nelly” Keith Jackson calling the USC game at night and I’d be in nostalgia heaven.

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  65. Thanks all for posting the links to various articles. Another plus of the POV.

    I like how writers try to act like they have sources with lines like this, “One administrator who has knowledge of the discussions said…”. Could that be more vague?

    An administrator of what? A college, any college, administrator of his 401k, his bosses admin? Lol.
    I can say I have knowledge of the discussions from reading tweets. Journalism is dead.

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    1. I would have no problems being in a conference of 2nd tier schools who have (high) academic standards for student athletes, and play similar schools within a geographical area that allows fans to travel. I feel bad for the Hoopie fans…they have no away game that would take less than 4 days to reach on a John Deere.

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      1. Whatever the standards are now, leave it. No need to raise standards like in 1990 and watching 72-0, 60-6 and 63-20 type losses follow. We don’t live forever. Can’t throw away a decade for academics then waiting for it to get better.

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  66. Under the FWIW category, Phil Steele seems pretty high on the Panthers. While he doesn’t think they will be nearly as explosive, he does like Slovis. He also thinks they have the best OL in the ACC. He also likes Mumpford and Wayne as well as the RBs. And he also rates the DL is one of the best in the nation

    He thinks they have a real good chance for the Coastal along with Miami

    Sent from my iPhone

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  67. One thing some are forgetting is that this Big Ten vs SEC realignment is really Fox Sports vs ESPN. Its their money so they are the true puppet masters and everyone else is their pawns. Neither league is doing anything of note without getting the nod from their network. So thinking a bit ahead, if ESPN allows the SEC to breakup the ACC by taking Clemson, FSU, Miami, GT, what will this force Notre Dame to do? ND will relunctantly move to the Big Ten to have a path to the National Football Championship and a league for all their other sports. That’s 2-3 ND football games a year for ESPN plus ND’s other sports which because of the name, draws eyeballs to the screen,

    Likewise, ESPN will lose the ACC Network which makes money for them even after paying the ACC. The conference reported $397,411,225 in television revenue for this fiscal year, up 20 percent from last year. Keep in mind since ESPN owns both the ACC and the SEC, the incremental increase in TV revenue generated for the SEC by the defection of some ACC schools won’t nearly cover this. Similarly, all other schools that move to the BIG Ten is lost revenue for ESPN and increased revenue for their competitor Fox Sports. This is what is really in play here. Not school culture, not lost rivalries, not travel costs. So the real Anekin-becoming-Darth Vader is our Alliance partner, the Big Ten. They will try to breakup the ACC in order to get their coveted prize of Notre Dame since offering to add Stanford was not enough. Meanwhile, ESPN will try to keep the ACC afloat without overpaying too much.

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  68. Just thinking of a conference of miss-fits that would be fun, competitive and geographically compatible PITT, NAVY, ARMY, WVU, Marshall, Syracuse, East Carolina, Duke, Wake, Cincinnati, Louisville, App State, Coastal Carolina…throw in Buffalo and a trip to Chippewa St!!1

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  69. Pitt has not yet put tickets on sale for the Backyard Brawl. While tickets for all of Pitt’s other home games have been put on sale. Ticket sales for the Brawl will have an exclusive on-sale date set for Aug. 2.

    I tried to make (4) yellow seats disappear –

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  70. Hoopie tickets go on sale Aug 2 at 10am.
    They want people to purchase season or mini packages which will include the hoopie game prior to that date.
    I tried to renew my hoop tickets and asked about moving to a spot where there were 3 tickets in a row but only wanted 2.
    No can do…unless I want to buy all 3. And I’ve had multiple hoop tickets for over 40 years.
    I hung up.
    I hung up.

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  71. Pretty much ESPN and Fox calling the shots

    https://www.si.com/college/fsu/.amp/football/sources-florida-state-exploring-leaving-acc-for-new-conference

    Latest rumour has Virginia and NC going to the SEC. I can see NC since they are notorious cheaters and pseudo academic excellence when it comes to sports. Virginia is too high brow and doesn’t want Vandys fate.

    Many Clemson fans like the acc however. Easier path to playoffs. But if there’s no acc, the sec is their best bet.

    Merger between pac ten and acc? I still think the big 12 holds the better hand. Waiting for the turn.

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  72. Just heard College FB guru Roy Philpott on ESPNU radio. He thought that the ACC was the strongest of the 3 “other” P5 conferences, based on their TV contract/affiliation with ESPN.

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  73. In 1963 we played WA, CA and away UCLA. All wins. Looks like next moves will be when ND sees to much money on the table. We will just tag along on whatever ride comes along.

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  74. Maybe Pitt should go back to being an Independent like in the 50s and 60s. Think about it. If enough colleges did that they could put together a pretty good schedule and sell games to the other networks. Pitt could play ND, WVU, and some schools like Cal, BC, ASU, Navy, ‘Cuse with some Big 12 and PAC 12 schools thrown in. Round it out with a Mac and some Northeast cupcakes and you have a pretty good national schedule

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    1. They could not play them. They would have to want to play you.
      Look at BYU they ran to a conference.
      You could never get a major schedule.
      The only hope for Pitt is greed.
      Big nasty greed from ESPN vs fox.
      They have the acc network, the GOR and a decent distant number 3 conference.
      If they want to protect turf they will find away to come up with more money and a solution.
      If greed works better blowing it up and splitting the top choices with Fox, well it is over for the Panthers.
      My guess is ESPN wants as much as it can get.

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  75. In a 12 team playoff there would be room for several at large bids. There are plenty of teams left over for a national schedule. Pitt vs Texas A&M would be an interesting matchup. Or BYU, or UCF…

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  76. Pitt in a conference that pays out 11 million per team vs A&M at 80 million.
    Fun times ahead
    That is a joke.

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  77. Why would A&M schedule Pitt?
    They will play 8 or 9 could conference games against top teams.
    They are going to give up a home game to go to Pitt and play in front of 25,000 people on Apple TV?
    Is Pitt going to pay them 3 million to come beat them down at home?
    It defies logic to think that any program that is in the top conference will play an independent on the independent terms.
    Now do that 11 times a year fot 7/10 years.
    Then go get a tv contract.
    It is a joke .
    Maybe CoGo’s could sponsor the Pitt home games for 25 grand a game.

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  78. PITT BASKETBALL

    Vincent Williams Hired As Pitt Men’s Basketball Strength & Conditioning Coach per PSN

    I did not know the S&C coach was gone? Another change for the good? Let’s hope so – this season has a competitive feel to it with the quality of player additions, so they might as well be in shape to compete.

    H2P!

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  79. kman, my assumption is that some of the better programs in the country will end up in lesser conferences. They could also decide to go independent. If a network such as ABC, or some streaming network, wants to show college games without signing a 10 year contract with a conference such as ACC that could become watered down, they could put together a nice package of games with teams that could possibly end up in a 12 team playoff format. The teams themselves would control their TV exposure.

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    1. The revenue from this setup would be minuscule compared with a contract with one of the new conferences//////MINISCULE!!

      I appreciate all of the ideas being offered by my fellow POV’ers, however, when you STOP to think about what’s happening it comes down to the decisions of 2 schools—-ND and Clemson. They are in a position to make or break Pitt’s cloudy future and believe me I am very upset about the weak position
      we have been placed in///Poopy pants hurt us with his decision to downgrade Pitt and jump to the B10.

      I really like the ACC, however, there is no denying that the B10 and SEC rule the fortunes of college football and the NCAA does not exist as far as I am concerned.

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  80. Don’t forget basketball. The NCAA still controls it, and can use it to pressure teams to comply with its mandates. The conferences will continue to exist for BB and for the minor sports. Clemson could slide back once the current coach retires or leaves. FSU was never the same. ND has already proven that it doesn’t need a conference for football if it can play BB and the minor sports in the ACC. Kelly left because he felt he couldn’t win a championship with one loss. Some of these colleges will develop the Pedo syndrome, where they are fairly good but never win anything in a strong conference. The grass is always greener…

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  81. I’m exhausted from reading and contemplating the possible conference changes. Actual football on the field cannot start soon enough for me!!!

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  82. I have a friend who is a Texas football fan and he read where Jordan Addison is not happy at USC.

    Anyone hearing anything similar?

    Wouldn’t that be something if he took a red shirt, sat out the season and entered the draft without playing one snap for Stinkin Riley.

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    1. I asked my friend to send me what he read, but received nothing as of this posting.

      Maybe coach Marion is stirring up trouble…

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  83. Never ever leave work family solely for money! A lesson hard learned here. How unhappy can Addison be with 3$$ million in the bank?

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    1. What if the $3 million was a lure that never happened? The details in the contract may have been laced with loop holes and JA heard one thing and got much less.

      Riley is a stinkin snake.

      Just sayin…

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      1. If he didn’t have an agent and an attorney review the deal he’s an idiot as well as a traitor to Pitt!
        He made Pitt Football look horrible and I’ll never forgive him for that.

        On Thursday a Big 10 official said in a written column they would never ever offer Pitt and rubbed it in for good measure. Addison and the way he left contributed to that! H2P. Karma is a bitch!

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  84. Domers can wait for at least two years. They like a national schedule with historic rivals. The flexibility. They want a chair at the playoff table. They have the third largest fanbase and probably largest fanbase of haters.

    Clemson wants an easy path. The sec won’t be easy. Their fit is either acc or sec. But they are big fish in small pond now. They like that.

    And Pitt just doesn’t have a good hand. Bluffing will do them no good. Plus they have an easy tell.

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