As near as I can tell, The Movement, as it will come to be known, started in Clemson, South Carolina on Friday, August 31st at 7:31 p.m.

80,000 people liked the suggestion.

The reasoning crystallized

And, curiously, spread to PA (albeit in typically self-centered Nitter fashion, note the change of pronoun.)

Had its grammar corrected

Created inclusion

Was further articulated

Caught on

Partnered

Mutated

Hit the national Media

I think you get the idea

It’s too early to tell if #WeWantToPlay will save the college football season, but if there is a shred of hope left to cling to, this is that shred.  I suggest you retweet aggressively.  Or perhaps, if you are in that kind of influential position, call your administrator.

I support:  

#WeWantToPlay

#WeWantToWatchYouPlay

Hail to Pitt

Michaelangelo Monteleone 

318 thoughts on “#WeWantToPlay

  1. I understand the thinking but it does come across as selfish. There is zero way a contact sport outside a bubble will work. Spread of covid is inevitable. We need covid contained right now. Opening during a surge and near apex is downright stupid.

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          1. BUBBLE … no traveling or even going outside of the bubble. This is why I said a month ago to pay attention to see how MLB goes for an indication for FB

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            1. Ah you are right. I have been living in my own bubble. Didn’t realize all the NBA was sequestered in Orlando. That will never work.

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  2. the irony is this …. college prez and ADs have continued to say that there should be no FB if students aren’t back on campus. Yet, students on campus will put the college athletes at the most risk

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    1. Flipping through the channels yesterday came across the Pirate game, the empty seats didn’t look all that different from last fall.

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  3. For those that think it should be cancelled, when does it start back up? How do you think colleges/high schools should proceed?

    The virus will certainly be here in the spring, most likely still next fall. Play now, adapt as we go. People need to make their own decision but for God’s sake give them a choice.

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        1. I see plenty without masks. It also depends on where you go & when you go. At supermarkets, mornings & early afternoons, mainly older folks majority wearing masks. Go in late afternoon & evenings, younger crowd & vast majority not wearing masks. I eat takeout a lot & majority not wearing masks as they enter or stand in lines

          I try to go out & about during slow hours (9-11am & 1-3 pm for shopping).

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    1. Thanks for sharing the link. I usually read the linked articles with skepticism.

      First of all that was an opinion piece. Red flag, LOL.

      Secondly, let’s look at the experts quoted in the opinion. There were eight quotes and only one was not anonymous. A doctor saying potential cardiac issues are unknown. The opinion should not have even been published.

      “But in conversations with more than a dozen college sports officials..” – no names

      “…said one athletics director, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.” – anonymity

      “According to one person with knowledge of the matter…” – no name

      “A Sports Illustrated piece on Sunday anonymously quoted a team doctor…” – anonymously

      “The studies have a lot of people thinking,” said one athletics director…” – no name

      “In retrospect, as you talk to administrators…” – no names

      “Come March, who knows what the country could have (regarding vaccine, testing, therapeutics and infection numbers),” said one administrator – no names

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  4. I kind of like watching the golf without fans yesterday, the course was beautiful and the play was outstanding. A terrific finish by an upcoming star.

    The best reason for a spring football season is the potential to have a vaccine(s) by the beginning of the year.
    Fans could even be back.

    The mighty NFL will be the test.

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  5. Another test going on right now is Sturgis, although outdoors many inside of bars. And all of these healthy individuals rolling back home all over the USA. Might be hard to trace, look out for Harley vests in the ER’s in a couple weeks.

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  6. Dropped off kid in Georgia yesterday. Everyone masked with kids and staff and everyone doing the right thing. Amazing atmosphere in so far as people’s attitudes and general organization of the move in with ALL I saw everywhere and that is far more than what I see here in Maryland which has been a pretty good state imo with all things considered.

    Will it hold up? No way in hell, not even in a smaller, closed and controlled environment. I give it 6 weeks and it will be a disaster at most colleges and then 10 weeks for that to extend out in the general public. I wish I thought differently and frankly am of the opinion that those who feel they are at risk of death or potential long term physical damage need to protect themselves while others continue their lives doing the proper precautionary things of course including wearing masks and distancing and hand washing.

    I will stay out of the politics but no doubt we could/should be doing better but at this point, I think we all know what needs to be done and can’t afford the direct costs and domino effects of kids not returning to school.

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  7. Rumor has it the PAC and BIG 10 conferences to cancel all fall sports tomorrow. ACC and PAC12 are on the fence with then SEC still raring to go.

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    1. How much of the PAC and BIG 10 conferences’ decision to cancel will be based on them wanting to avoid a players’ union situation, both for increased safety and pay? If this season is cancelled and next year everything goes back to “normal”, the conferences go back to being in full control of the players. Once a union of players starts, the colleges potentially face increasingly yearly demands.

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  8. Not an original idea but sure, I can see PAC12 and to lesser extent BiG cancelling. I can then see SEC saying to all “Give us you tired, weak, and poor, and also your COVID and come join us. Can think of a half dozen who would do that, God bless their hearts..

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  9. FWIW I go shopping at Costco and ShopNSave at least once a week, and occasionally go to CVS and pick up food at area restaurants, and everyone are wearing masks. The only time I see people not wearing masks is occasionally in some golf clubhouses.

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  10. Just got off a regular Zoom current events meeting that includes some really smart people with various educational and experience backgrounds including epidemiology The medical community is identifying serious cardiac issues in a significant number of people who have “recovered.” (This has been mentioned by some of you.) More should be know as more clinical information is collected and research on “recovered” patients takes place. Hopefully this information will help guide the decision makers including the young men and their families concerning how to proceed or not proceed with college football. In the meantime be safe everyone: H2P, Soccer Gramps

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  11. If I were in conference leadership, I would wait another couple of weeks. Again, my eye is on MLB where the the teams travels and the players return home. I also would allow a 2 week scrimmage period prior to the end of August to go along with interaction on campus (with guidelines) …. then make an informed decision in late August / early Sept.

    On the other hand, I am not in a leadership position and do have responsibility for the health and well-being pf the athletes and coaching staffs.

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    1. The one key difference is that it’s probably easier to put college teams in lockdown in a hotel. Much harder to get pros to comply I’d think

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        1. I’m not for treating athletes differently. They need to physically attend class if everyone else is required. No special treatment.

          Why should my son or daughter be less protected? Be less important? Not right and morally indefensible.

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  12. And as we close this season of football before it even starts, that roar you hear are the fans of Rutgers, Kansas, and Vanderbilt celebrating the thought of a non-losing conference season for the first time in a long, long time. Of course, they will celebrate using social distancing just like they have been doing at their football games all along.

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  13. The one argument I’ve read numerous times is…………. how are the players safer at home off campus? You would think they could get around the liability issues.

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    1. No place is safe unless you are a hermit living in the basement and you have a stock of food. So unless you live in a bunker, you are exposed. Everybody has to go out at some point. And that’s when covid who is hiding in the shadows will mug you. We’re all not safe until a vaccine that is safe, effective and easily administered. Wait till spring if we’re lucky.

      Tex who has an open carry permit but covid doesn’t care.

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  14. IF the BiG and some others cancel, will any school go rouge and try to join SEC and play anyhow. Let’s say Nebraska decides to do this, could the BiG kick them out and add Pitt?? Man, you are gonna have some interesting times if some conferences choose not to play and some choose to play.

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  15. I am disappointed in Narduzzi’s #WeWantToPlay Tweet. College football should be postponed until there are widely available vaccines. If that means until next fall, so be it. Just based on what is happening in MLB there is little chance that college football can avoid massive outbreaks. People continue to deny how serious this virus is and the long term effects it can have. It is pretty sad that people’s fix for college football is greater than their concern for the health of the kids that play the game.

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    1. You’re preaching to the choir.

      Safety first

      But these universities are going to have massive debts from loss of athletic and academic revenues. This will force cuts and program eliminations. But honestly Pitt was too fat to begin with. Use this as an opportunity to redefine and refocus.

      Those schools that can navigate these times will emerge as the future leaders and will be well positioned for success and growth.

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      1. this is not Narduzzi’s decision and he and we all know it. I think he is just supporting the troops. He knows all the work they have put in. But he also knows that wat he thinks matters very little

        If you want to call it a grandstand play … so be it

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  16. I don’t know enough about Gallagher to say he has what it takes to do this. I know heather does not. She’s a fish on dry land. In Texas, those fish are eaten by turkey vultures. They do a very good job at eliminating the smell.

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  17. Just got back from a 2 week vacation to Williamsburg and Hilton Head. Glad to report all were wearing masks with the exception of 1 lady at the Under Armour outlet store who could not understand why they wouldn’t let her in without a mask on. Her daughter had a mask on, but she seemed stunned to hear that she would not be allowed in any store without a mask. I guess she has been living under a rock or in a cave for the last 6 months, with no access to the news or social media.

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  18. Saban: “I want to play, but I want to play for the players’ sake, the value they can create for themselves,” Saban told ESPN. “I know I’ll be criticized no matter what I say, that I don’t care about player safety. Look, players are a lot safer with us than they are running around at home. We have around a 2 percent positive ratio on our team since the Fourth of the July. It’s a lot higher than that in society. We act like these guys can’t get this unless they play football. They can get it anywhere, whether they’re in a bar or just hanging out.”

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  19. The South may rule once again as both the SEC and ACC(with mostly Southern school membership) will be the last group to surrender to covid when it comes to football. College football in the South is almost a religion and as such it will not give into any pandemic on this score. The only way we lose football in the South is if the quarantining of players leaves none left to play the game.

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    1. Don’t underestimate the Big 12 and especially Texas and OU. I don’t believe that their fans will not stand for the SEC playing football while their teams are sitting at home.

      Tex, what’s your take on the Big 12’s desire to have football if the SEC is playing?

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      1. Austin is liberal compared to most cities in Texas. My son has all online his frosh year. He’s at home which sucks because he should be getting drunk and getting laid. Texas has stated that no more than 25 percent capacity if fans are allowed. Texas ain’t hurting for money. They can not play the season and be fine. I’ll stroke a football check to Texas before Pitt any day. But I do gift the soccer, volleyball and wrestling programs at Pitt. I support winners.

        Hook em Horns.

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        1. Although they always have a winning season, all that money hasn’t bought Texas a Big 12 championship in the past 11 years. And that was with Mack Brown, who was fired two years later.

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    1. 8 months into this and you guys all sound like you have hit the panic button … make sure you survive …. BigB will survive and thrive….

      and on the medical front : pharmacist told me ICU in Wilmington NC hospital is nearly full as well as one whole medical Floor … she also said once a person goes on ventilator it’s “ turn out the lights” as Dandy Don would sing on MNF….

      Any up-dates on Russ Brohman ????

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        1. My cousin was on a ventilator for two months. Hard to imagine. She survived and has gone home but is still struggling with after-effects…

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  20. Happy 73rd Ian Anderson who has COPD and likely has less than 10 years to live

    How Tull is not in the RRHOF is beyond me …. especially with all the crap that has been inducted the past 15 years or so.

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      1. Seriously. Who wants Nebraska. And schools that think this way aren’t practicing sound health protocols. I don’t think Kansas wants be be infested by Nebraskans.

        This experiment won’t last long anyway. Narduzzi wants a season because he wants his $4 million. Please people. Become a bit less obtuse on the reasoning behind decisions. Don’t believe what you see or hear. They all lie with a straight face. You always know where I stand.

        Tex the straight shooter. Colt 45 in my name.

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  21. It ain’t over till the fat lady sings, but it is not looking good. I heard the B1G is to vote tonight and announce tomorrow. Should be a lively discussion.

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  22. Friend from Pa just called and said her eye doctor just told her Gov Wolfe has cancelled a HS and college FB…. told her “ not true” yet…..

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    1. Agreed. But the fans want to be entertained. The towns want the money. The coaches want paid. The players want to be on TV. The networks want the dollars. The NCAA wants paid. All are whores. Selfish money grubbing whores.

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    1. His committee was formed 5 months ago and what conclusive proclamation or insightful decision did they make since then? ….crickets….

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  23. I have no problem with the coaches and players saying they want to play. That is what they should be saying.

    It is the school Presidents and Health Advisors that should be making these decisions with input from Athletic Directors.

    They will all look pretty stupid if they move forward and it doesn’t work.

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  24. hope this is not deemed political …. if Pitt plays and PSU doesn’t, wonder how that goes in the middle of the state. Wonder if the gov will be pressured to take action against Pitt’s participation.

    Note this is only speculation … but it would be great if Pitt does play for that reason if nothing else

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  25. With all the pressure on the Big Ten, it will be interesting if they “cave in”. As was pointed out, the business in the college towns of the Big Ten depend on college football for their survival. A college football weekend to them is what the Masters week is to Augusta. I tend to believe they will cave in at 6 PM today. As several have said “follow the money”. Sad state of affairs but it should it leaves little doubt that college football and college basketball are profit centers for universities pure and simple. I hope the football players form unions!

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    1. Neither is right. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Colleges have no business playing a contact sport outside a bubble for idiot 18 year old young punk kids who are not in anyway responsible.

      And have no business housing students in cramped and poorly ventilated dorm rooms no better than prison cells.

      Tell me I’m wrong.

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      1. You are right! Universities with physical facilities are seeing that they may be irrelevant in a digital age. If a student can take classes at home for a term, why does a student now have to go to the campus the next term. This is especially true for courses not requiring labs. Study groups can easily be done remotely now as business meetings.

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      2. Well, you’re sort of wrong. Poorly ventilated dorm rooms will actually make it harder for the virus to spread from one room to another. See I always look at the bright side of a problem 🙂

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  26. Just read a somewhat encouraging article about some ongoing investigations into the reason for the relatively high percentage of people who test positive for Covid19 but have no symptoms. In some outbreaks at prisons, like 80% of positives had no symptoms. Overall, around 40% of positives have no symptoms.

    They are looking for reasons. Those who have had a pneumonia or polio vaccine in the past few years have shown less risk. They speculate the coronavirus may not be as “novel” as first thought…

    Maybe many have some level of immunity based on having had “something” — even the flu or the common cold… The immune system is a complex and amazing thing…

    Go Pitt.

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  27. Remember, you heard it here first. The B10 floated the FB being cancelled this fall, and to their amazement, only the Pac 12 indicated it will follow suit, The B10 will now delay its cancellation announcement, and wait to see how things go

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  28. What? Over? Did you say “over”? Nothing is over until we decide it is. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell, no!
    -Bluto Blutarsky, my favorite college student

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  29. Imagine the greatest generation of all time coming back and seeing this generation. It saddens me. These Men and Women put their lives on the line against the Germans and we are worried about a disease through football. Between the Mayor of Pittsburgh and the Governor do any real men exist in Pa?

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    1. Sure there are. Didn’t you watch the Sturgis video above? I’m sure there are tons of PA license plates on the backs of those HDs. Those men there are real men! Real stupid men.

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    1. IF this players sentiments had been the unified, constant message emanating from all of America’s leadership in a coordinated information campaign back in February, then we probably wouldn’t even be having this discussion about whether we’re going to be playing college football come September or not today. Sure, I fully realize that hindsight is 2020, but that’s how you learn from your mistakes. So many people in America though are slow learners. So sad.

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  30. At tremendous risk of being given a double secret probation by the BiG, I was able to obtain this hidden video of the meeting held earlier this evening of the BiG coaches and AD’s at a centrally located Motel 6. The meeting is led by coach Jim Harbaugh and you will recognize the other coaches. DO NOT under any circumstances allow this video to fall into the wrong hands!

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  31. Saw on the Lair a post about the ACC possibly setting up a “bubble” for ACC basketball teams, with an all ACC schedule. Players take classes on-line. Sounds weirdly feasible…

    Go Pitt.

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  32. It really is going to be interesting to see how this BiG shakes out. Do the school presidents run the show, or is it the athletic department and local politicians. I’ve always felt it came down to the money, it’s no different than anything else in life. Money makes the rules. There is absolutely nothing that stirs passions more than messin with someone’s money. People rationalize most anything to justify keeping their bucks, and will take any risk.
    So, let’s see if those lofty ideals we like to talk about win out, or will it be what some have always believed, college athletics are the real power in universities today. 😔

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  33. I’m not sure if this is appropriate or why I thought of this now but I’d like to tell a story about one of my late friends.
    Carl was captain and star guard at PSU. I got together with him when he was with the Broncos in Denver. At PSU he couldn’t have been more than 225, but now he looked 250-260 easy. He was really bright, engineering major who later became a patent attorney. I saw what a toll playing was taking on him and asked why he did it. He said “ Rand, you either prostitute your body or prostitute your mind. Now, well it’s my body”.
    That always stayed with me. I guess that in some way is what these kids are thinking. Aw, it’s late. Hope tomorrow will be a better day.

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    1. he’s in the right profession(attorney, yet maybe not as a “patent” version), fortunately that principle is not universal albeit ubiquitous

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  34. The college experience just isn’t the same with online courses. There’s something to be said for interactions with fellow classmates and your professor. To be taught in a majestic room inside the Cathedral. To participate in college extracurriculars on campus. I’m afraid the connection with the school will be lessened. Not good for future donations and school spirit. Tough to establish a lifelong bond through a computer remotely.

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    1. I know a Pitt student who was a frosh last year and absolutely hated it when Pitt switched to virtual classes in mid March. And she was so glad with Pitt opening up the campus this month …. at least so far (I believe the phased return of students to campus starts today).

      The key is personal responsibility. And the problem is that it must be done by ALL participants because as what we seen over the past 2 months, even if a small percentage don’t adhere to guidelines, it will spoil it for the all. This is why leaders whether it be gov’t officials, college prez, etc are proceeding on the side of caution.

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      1. The thing about class was that if showed up but you weren’t into it, you could kind of get into it if you made yourself take notes, or the very least absorb something by osmosis. A lot harder to do that at home.

        Plus the social aspect. That can absolutely not be discounted as part of the college experience

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        1. exactly, early in my college career, I took advantage of my new freedom (attendance not mandatory) and hung around the student center instead of classes. But then I decided to attend all classes, and even though I never really crammed or pulled all-nighters, my grades improved dramatically

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        2. The social aspect is huge. Student clubs, associations and intramural. Working on campus. Attending sporting events. Parties. Study sessions. Meeting people from all walks of life. Your memories are primarily from outside the classroom. That’s where the connection is made. Got to be on campus for that to happen or the strong bond doesn’t take hold.

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    2. There’s was also that girl sitting down front in Psych 101 that you just couldn’t take your eyes off of… 😊

      Go Pitt.

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  35. I agree Tex…i was a commuter back in the early 70s at Pitt. Family had little money and Lawrenceville was a short bus ride to Oakland.
    I missed out on much of the college experience but sports maintained my connection post graduation. I think I am the exception to the rule.

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      1. that was a “problem ” for PITT back in the day…seems like everyone was outta there by 5 pm….don’t know what the % of on-campus housed vs commuters would be these days….but what an experience PITT was for a small town kid from North Apollo….

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  36. I have taught both on line and in the classroom at Duquesne and there is no comparison. But again, I am an old fart who takes an hour to do a spreadsheet that my kids do in 10 minutes. Still there is nothing like the college experience. Otherwise you end up with graduates with no personality. At one time I was hiring science graduates. My best hires were the ones you would find in a college bar on Thursday nights.

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  37. I disagree with the online version of college being devastating for this generation(yes of course for some). Drastically different and for most of US(oldsters) would be traumatic but imo this needs to be done and will ultimately end there.

    How sports fits in, if at all as it will more likely disassociate, is now what universities must figure out as the current situation changes the business model of higher education. This event is giving it a massive kick start.

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  38. Forgive me if this is a dumb or naive question, but with all the Covid tracing going on, have there been any positive cases DIRECTLY linked to sports participation? Meaning practices or games? I have heard about team outbreaks related to parties, etc but I mean a case that was traced to direct contact at practice or in a game? As players already where face masks, a plastic liner in the mask to prevent droplet passing seems feasible if science can figure out how to prevent fogging.

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  39. I wonder how long it will take for guys to lawyer up if the effects of COVID cause them to be unable to play in the pros? I also wonder how long it will take the public to go from “Let these kids play” to “The rich exploited the kids for monetary gain?” What’s even a bit juicier that this could all come to a head right around November. You all should go out and buy some popcorn.

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  40. PittPT, to answer your question above …. Yes. I think what has happened to the Marlins and Cardinals answers your questions. While I don’t think it was actually spread here by the actual playing of sports, in a team situation there is obviously a close association with your teammates.

    All it took was one or two players to break protocol and it spread among teammates to cause many games being cancelled.

    On the other hand, the bubble concept thus far, with no external association, has been working like a dream thus far. (NHL & NBA)

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    1. And don’t forget soccer. They don’t play in a bubble. They get tested daily with results back same day. That’s very important. The guys go home to their families. They travel. But stadiums are without fans. So it can be done outside a bubble. And soccer is a contact team sport. But what’s their secret. Real simple. The positive rate is near one percent…very low levels of the virus circulating. Why is that? You know. Just think opposite of the US.

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  41. Well the Russians have developed a vaccine with mass distribution beginning in October

    I don’t think anyone outside Russia will be lining up to receive it though. I mean vodka is a good sanitizer but I don’t think it’s safe and effective against viruses.

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  42. Let the players draft their own binding non liable document that all the players who want to play sign. Keep the universities completely out of it. Coaches can sign it as well. Trevor Lawrence can be the leader of this group since he is the most vocal.

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    1. I wouldnt give up my right and freedom to sue for negligence Ike. You have to be real desparate to sign away legal protections. And really the more common situation, as a player I’d worry about getting sued. What if I’m positive and got a coach or staffer sick. I could be liable.

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        1. So here is the thing…and if I have time I’m going to write an article about it. If you sum up all of the risks of playing football and then add in covid risk. And let’s not say death. Let’s say risk of heart issues. How much does the covid risk really move the needle on the overall risk factor? 1-2 college football players die every year it seems (and tragically I will ad) or are seriously injured with life-affecting injuries. Covid adds to that total but I suspect not by very much, and that is why so many players are like “damn I’m always at risk anyway, let’s go”

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          1. That’s right. Players think this way. But their hidden heart valve problem doesn’t make somebody else sick. Their drinking and fornicating doesn’t impact the staff. But them having the virus does. Coaches and staff will get sick. Will get hospitalized. And will have long term consequences and in worst case death. Not sure why anyone is talking about irresponsible kids spreading a deadly disease to grown adults with families.

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  43. They probably have already signed something as football can lead to serious injuries even death (so can crossing the street, driving a car or taking a stroll in southside Chicago) Our Attorney Huff can draw up an iron-clad agreement dealing with this virus while we sit in wait developing our POVHerd immunity in preparation for “ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL!!!”

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    1. The great think about the “law” is for every document you get an attorney to draw up, you can find two dozen lawyers that will tell you they can get around that document.

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  44. We may see a huge return to independent colleges again. If colleges are permitted to make their own decisions about playing the season, we may see schools such as Nebraska going independent and playing Pitt on its recent open date if the Big 10 shuts down. Two or three colleges from each conference could be sufficient to band together to form independent schedules. We could see some unexpectedly good match ups this year.

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    1. There might even be a Cornhole sighting at that game. Nebraska could tar and feather him in the first half. Pitt will have the second half. I’d pay to see that. Heck I want in on it.

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    2. There is no way any Power 5 school president is going to give up the guaranteed money they get from their conference for `maybe money’ if they go independent. I’ll go further and say the coaches know this when they make those proclamations like Nebraska and PSU coaches did. In my opinion what those coaches’ goal is to get their conference to delay a decision to cancel or delay the season until next Spring. They know that if their conference make either decision now in early August, there will potentially be a run on some of their best players and recruits to other schools that are saying they are playing this Fall.

      Remember this time last year Joe Burrow was a player we never heard of that couldn’t make it at Ohio St, then had a mediocre season at LSU in 2018 before blowing up 2019. Where would he have been drafted if last year LSU didn’t play? With out 2020 film on a player, NFL teams are going to feel these players are much bigger draft risk. Likewise there has been no decisions announced on what happens to 5th year seniors, incoming freshmen, etc.. All these players will be looking to find somewhere to play in 2020.

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  45. Lure him to the game as “Stevie P Day”…tar and feather at halftime as both school band perform their alma maters.
    Cornhole tournament to follow.

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    1. I like how you think

      Been to myrtle several times myself. Always south myrtle away from the honky tonk.

      But my fav is still OBX…Corolla.

      Both places were far less busy and populated 30 years ago.

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  46. Much of the law is based on interpretation and precedent (which is why Supreme Court appointments are so important to many). This is why I continue to say that for the most part, there is no right or wrong, just varying opinions. Much like what we have here

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  47. If a conference cancels the season, it would be difficult for them to then sanction a conference team that plays some games outside its conference in order to add revenue to avoid eliminating other sports. Nebraska and Iowa should be able to play whoever they want if the conference cancels games and if they can contract with other conference teams. Pitt will not sue Miami Ohio because they were forced to cancel their game with Pitt, but if Miami wants to play Pitt anyway, Pitt would likely play the game. And Pitt could even play the Nitters if they want to on Pitt’s terms..

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    1. As several others have said on this blog before…”Follow the Money”. Unless sanctioned by the BiG, no BiG team is playing any sport, let alone football. Each conference owns the broadcasting rights including secondary, and tertiary rights to all their members games. With few fans in the stands and no TV. There would be no money to be made for the team, but there would be potential liabilities if a player is injured or contracts COVID. All a move like that would do is piss-off the “hand that feeds you”.

      As for Pitt suing Miami of O, you’re right they won’t.. Not because Miami was forced to cancel and Pitt is an understanding university but because Pitt now does not have to pay Miami $1.1M for the game. Any court would consider that sufficient retribution.

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  48. Ive mentioned this only about 72 times. This is not about liability at all, although administrators will hide behind that narrative as they move their other agendas forward. Ive explained the current defenses and I am comfortable with defending any C19 case, except nursing home cases where a patient was confined to the home and could not leave. At that point, it is clear that the contracted virus came from within the nursing home environment (people, caregivers, not toilet seats, etc.), and there is most likely liability attached. .

    This is not about short term money either. It is deeper than that. You all are a bunch of smart people, figure it out. You have a President that tweete to let them play and immediately, the response from more left leaning university Presidents, was No.

    I spoke to a Congressperson first thing this morning and the congressperson really wants the season to be played. I told the Cperson to introduce legislation that protects colleges and universities from liability (from students and players) if the college follows medical guidelines in place at the time (state, federal, international) on c19 protocols. Cperson responds that it is part of the next package. I said great, why don’t you pull the liability piece out and present it as its own Bill to force a decision. No attached funding requests, no earmarked money. Nothing! It will creat transparency as to what is actually going on.

    Cperson says, no way.

    My point was that it would force elected officials to go on record of supporting college football or not; would eliminate liability against colleges or not; and would let the athletes decide what they want to do with their bodies because our current laws as constructed allow people the ability to choose what they want to do with their bodies. Why would we take away that ability? In a bubble, as we have seen with hockey and basketball, the athletes are not presenting a risk to the community. Opt in or Opt out for the athlete without repercussion to scholarship.

    I was told that once the President took a stance to let them play, the school Presidents immediately opposed it and are hiding behind the inexactness of the science community surrounding C19 to fuel their arguments. I think we see another kick the can on this topic today.

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    1. what a bunch of crap, Huff. The ONLY reason many of the D1 teams are still seriously considering playing is for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and the kids are the means to this end. And I wouldn’t doubt one freakin bit that the only reason that many of these schools are allowing students on-campus is that it’s such a bad look if they didn’t.

      Now this is just another viewpoint from an alternate perspective. And I don’t know what the correct answer is any more than you do

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      1. It is money. Always has been and always will be.

        The smart decision would be wait until vaccine. Online learning until then. But universities stand to lose that tv money. They can’t balance the books without it. They can’t balance the books with it.

        Pitt will need to get a short term loan for about $40 million. That’s what Gallagher is trying to avoid. He’s a scientist at heart. It’s not a political decision with him.

        And it also is about liability. If a jury found OJ not guilty, a jury can find a university was negligent for Covid or a player athlete is responsible for manslaughter.

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    2. Who polled all the school presidents last night after the President’s tweet and then told you that “school Presidents immediately opposed it” Let’s have names. Did that really happen or did you just think it might happen in your world?

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  49. Huff, unlike your other points the last may be the biggest pile of crap I’ve ever heard. What proof, yes,proof, you you have. You were TOLD. Seriously, from you, a lawyer. Left leaning, give me a break. That shoots all your credibility. I’m no lefty, but that’s bat crazy talk. You have absolutely NO proof, just your biased slant.
    And Mike, if you let him post that crap and not this, well……

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    1. I can’t read all the posts joe…I have a full time job that is quite demanding. In this case the reason your post was held for moderation was because you used the s-word.

      Now remember to fight nice…

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  50. Gordon, not golfing at all this week…here with family and the dog.
    Golf week will be in late October. Plans are for Legends Parkland, Legends Heathland, Shaftesbury Glen, Glen Dornoch and Legends Morland.

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  51. OK. My bad. Sometimes I get a little crazy with this. My original post was this 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩” Proof, you got no proof, Ness” Frank Nitty to Elliot Ness, the Untouchables.

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  52. Obviously the recent heart issues that are turning up are what got the B1G’s attention. This is happening in real time and to their players right now. No one knows how wide spread this can become or what other health conditions will arise whether they play or don’t.

    One thing we do know is that the US is far from controlling the virus and it spreads fastest in dense populations. I think College Presidents who are allowing kids on campus have a bigger problem than football.

    Making a decision to play football is the easy one, everyone would like it to happen, coaches, players, fans, vendors, athletic directors, anyone that benefits financially. The hard decision is to shut it down and to be second guessed forever.

    We are seeing conferences where the financial issues are not as great or have been made mute cancel their seasons. Big money is the only thing that is making the decision difficult.

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    1. Sometimes the simple explanation is the most correct one.

      Occam’s razor.

      It’s all about money people. And players and coaches health be damned.

      Tex who knew William of ockham

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  53. This whole COVID liability issue is nonsense. For starters, no one is forcing a kid to go to college, and they assume certain risks by doing so. There are already so many liability disclaimers on the books now (such as for underage drinking in the dorms and falling down a flight of stairs, for example) that it is practically impossible to win a lawsuit against a university unless you can demonstrate gross negligence, almost reckless disregard for safety . Universities will not settle COVID cases for fear of opening the floodgates to more suits.

    Secondly, it would be very difficult to prove what the actual source of the COVID virus was since the symptoms may not show up for a week or more. If it comes from other students, well that was the accepted risk for coming on campus to begin with. And lastly, any organization such as the NCAA that has successfully navigated around the CTE and brain injury issues can certainly insulate themselves against any COVID lawsuit.

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    1. You getting drunk and falling out of windows is on you. It doesn’t often result in another’s death. You being stupid and catching the covid and spreading it resulting in an innocents death is called manslaughter. Big difference.

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  54. P5 Presidents aren’t concerned about losing $50M-$100M. It’s just not that much money in their big picture. They don’t like it for sure, but it’s not mission critical. For example, Stanford has a $28B endowment. Michigan is at nearly $12B, same as Northwestern and Texas A&M. Cal, ND, Duke, multi-billions. $50M is peanuts. Go down the laundry list. This isn’t a money issue. And, it’s not a liability issue. A 10% investment return on the endowments covers any short term revenue interruption. Pitt’s $4.2B should generate 400M in investment revenue plus whatever else they raise. The $25M-$30M they get for a full conference share is small potatoes.

    No perronies here, i don’t lean, sorry.

    My post was not political. I didn’t call anyone names. Wasn’t rude. I eliminated other arguments that folks are stuck on and brought up other “possibilities”. Do with them as you please, but to not consider all angles is seriously flawed to any debate.

    You can cover heart issues with a release of all claims and candidly, Pitt tests their athletes for heart issues”. That is why we lost a few recruits the last few years. Heart testing takes care of that, with a release of course. It’s a players option. Opt in, opt out. Sign here, sign there. Your choice.

    Now, good luck defending a case where your university cancels a sport at the last minute and deprives you from earning X millions next year because you werent allowed to play and others increased their stock value over you. This will happen. Kids know where they are slotted already and there is an economic impact that can be measured. The NCAA will get pulled into those cases because they didnt allow the athlete student an opportunity to get into the portal early enough to transfer and play. Pick your poison.

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    1. Huff, any credibility that your previous post may have had was lost with this ……. I was told that once the President took a stance to let them play, the school Presidents immediately opposed it and are hiding behind the inexactness of the science community surrounding C19 to fuel their arguments.

      Seriously??

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    2. Pitt loses $10 million each year trying to run sports in good times. Now it stands to lose four times that amount. They cannot touch the endowment to bail them out. That I know. You even try to touch it and all hell breaks loose. Talk about lawsuits.

      When did $40 million become chump change? Pitts entire athletic budget is only $80 million. They will be forced to take out a loan to cover this season.

      Tex who has a finance background and not law.

      It’s finances driving this and always drives business decisions. Find me a business run by compliance or law people and I’ll show you a loser. A money losing loser like Pitt.

      An athletes stock value can also go down. Can also get hurt. Tough for a player to prove his draft status was hurt by not playing. Why are elites not playing? Because they know there is no upside. And 98 percent of players have no skin in the game…they aren’t close to good enough to get drafted.

      Huff I’m no lawyer but I can create enough reasonable doubt to get OJ elevated to Saint. Your arguments are weak. It’s always been about the tv money

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    1. Nebraska signed away their media rights to the Big 10 along with all the other Big 10 teams. It will be a field day for the Big Ten lawyers. Maybe Nebraska will bolt to the Big 12 (10) were they belong.

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  55. Of all the college football players that have tested positive for the covid virus, can anyone tell me how many have died or even how many have been hospitalized because of it? Probably not many if any at all.

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    1. there was an Indiana lineman that had serious complications but he survived — I believe he contacted before FB practice started. But the issue is the spread, not necessarily the illnesses to the players (I think)

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    2. Tell me the potential of those young and healthy kids spreading the virus to us older and more health compromised adults. What good is a season if all the coaches are dead?

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          1. True story. The numbers are real though. You’d hate to see something like that but it’s not quite “as bad” as tex makes it out to be. Sadly those over 65 are unfairly impacted by this virus

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            1. Well only 20% of those diagnosed. But yes. Half of 20% is 10%. 10% casualty rate is the literal root of the word “decimate”

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  56. Looks like the COMCAST Big 10 Network deal is dam near worthless right now for their subscribers. Paying the BIG 10 fees for past years reruns will be front and center when the Cable Company lawyers try to renegotiate those current payments—-Maybe the ACC Network can finally get Comcast to sign on the dotted line if the ACC plays FB this fall.

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    1. Not going to happen IMO as the ACC Medical Team advisor(a Duke Infectious Disease Secialist) indicated today that the ACC is moving forward on their FB season with his blessing.

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    2. Not just America, Canada is delaying the start of the curling season, China has postponed a ping-pong tournament, Russia has cancelled a chess tournament and in Spain the bulls must wear masks!😉

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  57. I wonder what the results of heart scans are with the Clemson players?

    You can make fun of the decision but these are serious people making them.

    They are not doing it in a vacuum.

    Meanwhile what else is there in Nebraska besides football and corn?

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  58. OK, here’s one for you guys. If ACC plays, if you were Pitt would you take transfers from non playing schools knowing other schools will, or would you stay with those you recruited. ( not just one or two guys but multiples)??

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  59. OK, here’s one for you guys. If ACC plays, if you were Pitt would you take transfers from non playing schools knowing other schools will, or would you stay with those you recruited. ( not just one or two guys but multiples)??

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  60. They will not keep football from being played South of the Mason Dixon Line. BC, Syracuse, Louisville, ND and Pitt will follow their lead and follow suit this season or forfeit their games.

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    1. I meant to add that he has been a HS QB, leading his team to an 11-1 record … and is apparently a good runner. But IMG Academy will play him at TE as his 6’5 230 lb frame would suggest

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        1. Pretty standard for tight ends. Dorian Dickerson caught 49 his all American season…but he also did a lot with them.

          But to your point…Pitt doesn’t have the horses to want to throw them 100 balls

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  61. OK all the bickering should now stop for a while here on PittPOV. What we feared about the most the last few weeks has happened.

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  62. So, for me, the elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about is hydroxychloroquine. It’s fun to read about the differing medical “opinions” about HCQ. All the years it’s been taken (Quinine, back in WWII) should be able to tells whether there are serious health consequences or not. The number of Drs today who are using it to fight Covid have ery good results to discuss.

    Schools have known about the upcoming FB season since Covid became a Thing. Why haven’t schools studied HCQ to see if athletes (and students, for that matter) could take it as a prophylactic?

    There, Mike; that should stir the pot!

    Let me beat you to it, Tex: ” There’s too much $$$ to be made with a vaccine, to be protecting the public with a $1 pill!!”

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    1. I agree that at $1 a pill there is no pharmaceutical industry money for testing HCQ, but one would hope that someone of high authority could fund such a study if he truly believed it was a solution. But just asking: Is there any documented evidence that HCQ can prevent the common cold or some flu virus? I do not have a preconceived answer to this, just want to know

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    2. There is no money to be made and if it’s too good to be true, it probably is. Every legit study and medical research on it says it isn’t effective and can lead to health complications. There are medical journals with published studies. It is not a miracle drug and it can make you seriously ill.

      There will probably be some treatments before the vaccine. No cures but medicines that can speed up recovery or lessen the severity. I personally will hold off on getting a vaccine. I don’t trust our FDA.

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  63. So if this is all about money as Tex and others suggest, why did the big and soon to be pac cancel the fall seasons?

    Will repeat. This is not about money. Lets not respond with emotions. Universities buy insurance for all types of litigation, so it isn’t about lawsuits either.

    If it was always about health and safety, these teams would not have been allowed to work out together at all. Because we all know, you can only get this from the games, not the practices. And of course, the science hasnt changed since covid was covid.

    Next, who is going to sue for using some endowment money during an emergency? If the money you donate is not specifically directed (i.e. Tex donates 10 dollars, but only to be used for womens volleyball), that is one thing. When you dont specify, the university can use the funds for various reasons to support the mission. Most mission statements are broad enough to encompass and support scholarship as well as other things. So if you use endowment money for let’s say building enhancements, you then take the money in the central funds budget that was previously designated for said things and move it around so the endowment can pay for the building enhancements. Eazy peazy. These are called funds functioning as an endowment. I won’t say that I know how every school operates. What I will say is that unless specifically designated, some funds can be used (not necessarily the principle) for other things. Principle is typically protected from what ive seen and universities can routinely spend up to 5% of investment earnings of the endowment towards the mission.

    $40M isn’t chump change to you and me Tex, Ill agree. To see if that number is material, check the external audit reports for each university. Some in the P5 do not even consider $40M, material. Believe what you all want.

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    1. I was recently part of a group that set up an endowment to be awarded for teaching excellence at my undergrad. Purpose was to honor a LT professor and encourge edcuators to focus as much on teaching as on publishing.

      As we negotiated the structure of the chair with university administration, it became abundantly clear that although we were specifically designating the conditions under which the chair would be awarded the adminsitration would not agree to be 100% bound to the strict language we desired in the agreement. In the end, we had to go on the assurance that they would uphold the intended purpose.

      So, don’t be so sure that even specific designations are ironclad. Guessing schools have the ability to redirect in certain circumstances, such as overall financial health of the school.

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      1. Thanks Joel for adding your personal story. Emphasizes the point I was making about endowments generally. There are specific fact patterns that dictate actions, but this is spot on.

        With regard to litigation, it is not uncommon for a university to carry insurance to cover for such litigation scenarios. Typically a P5 conference school will carry $50M in General Liability Insurance. per claim. Now, if someone would sue a university Board of Trustees, that is covered by E&O, with same typical limits. Universities are not like corporations that typically get sued through Directors and Officers Liability Insurance, because universities do not have directors, or officers per se’. Smart universities transfer the risk. Eazy peazy.

        Again, Pitt tests the hearts of their players as we have seen in the past. For those that test positive for covid, I would put them in the protocol for a full physical to detect heart conditions before allowing them to play and again, make them sign releases. Look, if the covid attacks your major organ, it is not going to repair itself this year or next or next. You just shouldn’t be playing. The precaution is testing, which is already done when an athlete student steps on campus. Do it again. Problems are solvable.

        I apologize if I offended anyone. Universities and sports are businesses. Its not your 1970’s universities any more.

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  64. Well, is anyone surprised by the B10 decision? All D2 and D3 conferences made the correct decision weeks ago.

    It is ridiculous that any conference is still contemplating playing. Again, every argument for playing, at least every one I have heard or read, refuses to talk about what happens in the actual games. They blather on about “bubbles” and turn a blind eye to the kids rolling around with, again, spit, sweat and snot…

    The B10 did the right thing here. I applaud them and just perhaps this will force university’s to read thier own Mission Statements…of which none that I have read mention athletics at all.

    Its nice to interact win you all again and nice that you all think I’m 100% correct in anything I comment on!

    🃏

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  65. Players would be tested before games, practices, etc. If the the protocols that leading medical institution Came up with don’t work and there are outbreaks then cancel. Not before even trying. It has been under control for practices so far.

    Play the games!

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  66. So sorry to hear about Russ… he responded to an email I sent him a few weeks before he went on the ventilator… our hospital pharmacist guest this week-end said people just don’t survive if they go on a ventilator…
    Russ played in the 1st FRANKCAN CUP POVert gold tournament… Reed had a couple of him posted in his knickers with the golfers who participated….

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  67. I went back iin the archives to the April 2017 posts. There is a blog on the golf tournament, with specific reference to Russ’ attire. However, the photos arent there. Perhaps someone could dig that up?

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  68. From what I heard from insiders, the university presidents of the PAC 10 are fearful of future lawsuits. Many caused by the potential and still evolving health complications. Believe me they didn’t want to give up a $40 million dollar check from tv monies. But the potential damages from future lawsuits would have swamped them. They would have to lawyer up. That’s time and lots of money. Drained resources. And then there’s always that one jury with me on it that will convict. And then there’s precedent and a roadmap for future suits.

    If Russ was 40 years younger he might have been totally fine. But he wasn’t. And it just shows our most vulnerable and wise are at the most risk. When you wear that mask, you respect your elders. RIP

    Tex

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  69. SEC and ACC play out there schedules and the winners in each conference meet for the National Championship…. that’s how it was going to work out anyway… conferences sell the TV rights to the highest bidder…..

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    1. The old ball coach,Steve Spurrier, agrees with you: “Coach Spurrier called a few minutes ago,” Pat Dooley said. “Said the SEC and ACC should just play their seasons and winners face off for national title because one conference was going to win it anyway.”

      The ACC and SEC have produced the last five national champions. The last non-ACC or SEC program to win the national title was Ohio State back in 2014-15.

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    1. Used to deworm our horses with ivermectin. You can get it in a tube at the feed store. In the wrong hands this Information is going to go off the rails…

      With that being said … seems like it’s worth further investigation.

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  70. Last comment on this to Tex – if you are a player and projected in the top 3 rounds of the next nfl draft (and yes, the universities are told which players are in that category), the university can purchase for the player critical injury insurance (3 levels), permanent total disability insurance, and LOV (Loss of Value) insurance. This is all legal and compliant with the ncaa. So for those athletes in that category, their risk is minimized.

    Second, with respect to covid. If a player already has been diagnosed with covid at the time of getting their personal insurance policy, they will not be covered for subsequent complications as a result of covid (i.e. heart conditions that manifest as a result of covid, etc.). If you do not have covid, the insurance will cover you if you contract it after the policy inception and will also cover manifestations such as heart disease, etc. stemming from covid. The upside is you go from round three to round 1 by having a great year….like joe Burrow as relevant example. If this was last year and he didnt play, he would be a free agent signing.

    Third, Finance Undergrad, 10 years at Goldman. Taken public companies private and private companies public. Acquired 16 companies. You learn where the real barriers to entry are through proper due diligence. Things arent typically transparent on their face and you have to work through the layers to get to the answers.

    Many stated how proud they are that the Big stood up under some immense pressure and cancelled. What pressure? Why arent folks asking why the Big10 allowed these kids to be practicing this entire time if the medical community that they are so relying on opined they shouldn’t have a season, but could practice with each other up until today? Why is Nebraska’s Medical Team and Administration wrong? Why is the Duke Medical Team wrong? And others? If the ACC and SEC fold tomorrow, what changed to precipitate that action? Bullying? Peer Pressure? Cancel Culture? These are just questions. Don’t attack me for asking, answer them. Tell me how your medical degree trumps the medical degrees at nebraska and duke. I just want to understand and ask questions when things don’t make sense, wouldn’t you agree? Take your personal thoughts out of the equation and deal with their facts, not with what we think?

    I am sad about my friend and neighbor Russ today and that makes me a tad snarly. Yes he was battling cancer when he contracted covid. He was an outstanding individual. He was my first baseball coach and snuck me on to his team when I was 6, because he convinced my parents that I could compete and thrive against the 8 year olds. I played 2 years-up into high school as a result of him pushing me. I wasnt thanking him when Lindsay Delaney popped me in the back with a fastball in hgh school but that is a different story. Russ, Great dude! I will miss Russ. We made a deal about him beating cancer. I lost.

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    1. Thanks for that post Huff… all of your posts are insightful and add so much to this blog….and a big thanks for sharing your compassionate thoughts on Russ…. a few years ago I sent him a large PITT script flag in appreciation for his comments … big thanks to MM for allowing Russ to return to our group…!

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    2. Simple answer to your question about why people aren’t asking why players were allowed to practice. They were and are. There are as many and as prominent medical teams on each side of this, pick your position with yourself, your family, your school, your conference, your country…you will have significant support on each side and that support will change with the best science as it could and should

      Not about money? Of course it is and not just the initial amount but rather the total costs including the legal battles down the road when the few unfortunate cases occur. Lawyers cost on both sides and they always win. I thought everyone knows that fact.

      Sorry about the loss.

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  71. lastly, big12 announced tonight that they will do advanced heart testing for those that test positive for covid. You may have read that earlier in one of my posts. Now keep beating me up. I got big shoulders….mainly because Russ went for the head fake in basketball and landed on my shoulders often…..

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  72. So now I expect we will see a SEC, ACC and BIG 12 football season this fall.—Time for the ACC Network to get working on that COMCAST contract.

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  73. Hello All – I just published a new piece that acknowledges Russ and his situation and adds some more context to the ongoing football debate. Keep up the spirited discussion.

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  74. Sad day for the POV. Rest In Peace, RKB. Prayers tor his family.

    Wonder how much pressure PSU will be putting on the Governor to shut down all college football in Pennsylvania in the name of “safety”?

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