206 thoughts on “Pitt vs Penn State BB Game Thread

  1. UCF also looks like they have a concert series for all their home games which is very heavy into the country music sphere if anyone else is planning on heading down next year in Sept. to Orlando.

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    1. Everyday Dude… I’ will even pick up your cantankerous A$$ and take you to see Micky Mouse.

      Talk about talent at UCF Campus. Makes Pitt look like Fair mont State.

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  2. Watch the game with an open mind if you guys can. This is our team like it or not. Much like the football team they are super young. Forget about the coach for a minute and see if you can find any positives. Then blast the coach when the game ends. << That’s when I roll off to bed. PS, psu has a fairly nice team, not great.

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  3. PITT’s football and basketball teams need to grow up and become men O’ war. << metaphorically speaking and no offense intended. << it’s just a song

    Play it loud and get fired up. or not.

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  4. lol, I love my PITT sports 100% but you know Upitt, you make me love them even more. U bring out the best and worst in me. << I guess it’s going to be one of those nights? ike

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  5. I’ll be watching this game closely as I missed last two. Impressions from Navy were not good. Small, slow, nothing inside. These things won’t get better. Let’s hope the guys who say they give effort and are fun to watch are right. Go Pitt!!

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  6. Hey Ike, this team is really bad, and I mean bad. You can try to sugar coat it, but they are just bad, and youth has nothing to do with it. Let’s see what the offensive genius has up his sleeve.

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  7. Ike I agree we should watch the game with an open mind, so what bothers me is: the seeming lack of offensive system, the consistent shots that go up without a rebounder anywhere to be found, the undisciplined defense, unwillingness to call obvious timeouts to teach, and the number of layups given in part games. This to me is not about the players, it’s about coaching. I hope I’m wrong, I thought Stallings history proved he may be a mediocre coach, but he doesn’t seem to be even that good.

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  8. Have you seen enough Ike? Tell me when I can discuss atrocious talent, atrocious coaching and weak AD we have. PSU up 20 and we have 11 points in first half.

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  9. Listen, about the best thing we have going in this game is that Penn State isn’t exactly Kentucky, and they will manage to keep us in this game.

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  10. I’m very worried about you guys hurting yourselves emotionally.
    You cannot coach an increase in talent and this team has very little.

    That may win 3 games more this year. Please don’t sink your hearts into this putrid team.

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  11. There actually is some talent. They just have no clue how to play together, particularly on defense. Wilson-Frame, Carr and Stephenson all have some ability. But still no center or strong inside presence. Unless they gel quickly, I can’t see them winning more than 5 games.

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  12. MissingWlat is correct there’s some talent here, given the schedule they’ve played they have already underperformed. Only KS’ dad or son would come on this board to make yet an excuse for what we’ve witnessed. This is not personal, I have nothing against Stallings, he simply doesn’t seem to know what he’s doing.

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    1. I hope he doesn’t know what he is doing because if he does and this is it, this program is done..

      Barnes should be FORCED to watch this abortion he is responsible for.

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  13. It’s a long ways to go in the season and it may seem even longer with a performance like this. Very disappointing game tonight. The freshman are playing like high school seniors or jr high.

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  14. Down 26 to Penn State. Everyone gets better except Us. Herman was called out on Day 1 by me. A bum with no East Coast Ties. And somehow Gallagher hired him? Garbage. Stallings could coach till he is 189 years old and still not have above a .500 record at Pitt. And we keep him because of a little money that is chump change for a AD to raise Worth her salt.

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    1. They only hired ‘Hired Gun Herman’ to get rid of Dixon’s long term contract. As soon as that deed was done, he scampered out of town….like hired guns do.

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  15. And who the heck said this team is fun to watch. Geez, I seen 10 car pileups that we’re more fun. You have to be half blind to think this is fun. If talent is lacking it does in fact fall directly on the head coach. Remember, he was supposed to be a great recruiter, and would do even better. Once he was freed from Vandys academics. What a farce.

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  16. My first watch of the season. To quote Dennis Green, “they are who we thought they were”…Scott Barnes should receive a public flogging for the dumpster fire that is Pitt basketball. No doubt the worst Pitt bball team in my lifetime. If they don’t beat BC on Feb. 13, I really don’t see an ACC victory.

    Although these kids may give max effort, they have no conception of team defense. There may be some 50 point losses to Duke and Carolina. I don’t know what is worse, watching Artis and Young half-ass it every night or watching these kids get beat like a drum. There are going to be some empty nights at the Pete in February.

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  17. You know, we used to accuse Jamie of playing slog ball. This offensive genius’s team will probably average less per game.
    And hey, Upitt, James Robinson would be the quickest kid on this team. Truth!

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  18. Making a B1G bottom feeder look like a contender.

    I wonder what our guys work on in practice. Surely not defense. Not rebounds. Not shooting.

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  19. Was feeling some pangs of remorse for bailing on my season tix this year. Not any more. Couldn’t watch this team live without puking in my hat.

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  20. On a serious note. Did anyone hear that Bobby Hurley was signed, sealed, and delivered for this job until Herman’s search firm buddies pulled the rug out??

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  21. You play in the best conference in basketball, campus in an urban environment, great on campus facility, east coast recruiting footprint, and the coach makes $2 MM…. How can the talent be this bad? Not expecting 1-and-done guys, but how about ACC caliber players?

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  22. How do you be objective, and not crush the coach or the kids. I do not blame the players, they accepted a scholarship to an ACC school. They were probably stunned to get the offer. But the coach, well, he recruited them, he coaches them, and ultimately he is responsible for the product on the floor.
    Objectively they are slow, they are small, they do not move the ball crisply, they look confused, they jack up bad shots, they are very, very bad defensively. Lots more to say, but it would just be piling on at this point.

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  23. Can not wait to get ACC season started, bet Duke, NC and Miami are shaking in their boots.
    Not sure who to blame, but this will take years to recover from. Pitino is probably available,

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  24. Offensive genius, great in game coach. I’m sorry, he is even worse than ?I thought. Look at him on the beach, leaning back, chin in hand. He quit.

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    1. Collecting that check. He has no cares in the world.

      Shave the sides of your bald head. You look terrible. That alone tells me he is clueless and no sense of anything

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  25. Bobby Mo beat Duquesne last week. Pitt is 3rd best in City of Pittsburgh. Can’t even believe the program has fallen this far, this fast.

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  26. I figure attendance at the Pete will be 5-8K

    That’s total for the rest of the season. Thanks Barnes….and we thought Cornhole was poison. Any competent AD average or better, would fire the coach, use an interim coach and start the search right away. I hope Lyke doesn’t think she can wait and see what happens next year…

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    1. Busy thinking up silly promotions and gimmicks like a minor league baseball team. But hey, it was a progressive hire at what was likely a below market salary. Priorities, priorities.

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  27. 1968–1969 Pitt was 4–20 under coach Buzz Ridl.
    Victories over WVU, Carnegie Melon, Westminster and the last one escapes me.

    We have one of the worst teams in ACC history and I am convinced that Stallings will not be at Pitt next year.

    Money talks and a totally empty Pete will finally force the “powers that be” to get off their asses and
    start all over with a new regime….of course Heather will have to renew the Fanta contract for old times sake.
    I go back to the Class of ’63 and between the mess on the football field and the DISASTER we have in basketball I am embarrassed daily because I live in York, Pa>>> PENN STATE COUNTRY.

                                                                  HELP!!!!
    

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    1. lol…..William & Mary. Who was almost as bad at 6-20. Yea the Pitt hat got exchanged for a Steeler lid, down here in NC, after we lost to the Tarholes.

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  28. Well all I know is if Dixon was coaching this team he’d probably have quit by now or fell over on the court. He definitely would have burned all of his timeouts in the first 45 seconds of each half.

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  29. Penn State could have played the 2nd half with 4, maybe 3 players on the court and won.

    What does it say about OUR lives, watching and commenting on this garbage.

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  30. Probably my last watch of the season. They were down 41 in the second half to an in-state “rival” football school that has made 2 NCAA tournament appearances in the last 20 years. If that is not a wake-up call to the athletic department I don’t know what is.

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  31. This team will go winless in the ACC. By the time they get to BC, it’s mid February. They will be so beaten down by then and with half-wit Otis, drooling on the bench….ala George the Animal Steele…..that will be a loss too.

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  32. Just woke up at 2 am – some of you know ,the benign prostate hpeetrophy thing-started reading….wow – nuff said about 🏀- THe END.

    A way to increase attendance and do a service to mankind.
    Open the doors of the Pete this winter to the HOMELESS.. I am not kidding.

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  33. I still have season tickets…might follow Jackagain and wear a clown outfit to the next game I attend. If that even happens. Can we get a class action lawsuit going for mental cruelty?

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  34. Eat the contract today. Losing by 31 to PSU is inexcusable. Hell, I can walk around campus and find 5 guys that could give them a better game. WVU will beat Pitt by 50 at this rate. Fire Stallings now, start over, because this hoops season is going to be a public image and financial disaster if you don’t.

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  35. My uncle told me a story about my grandad (born in late 1800’s)and his cousin playing basketball game for Pitt though neither went there or to any college…apparently they got to the area via train and happened to be walking by where Pitt was to play a game PITT didn’t have enough players and they were asked to play… wish “ pup” was alive- would love to know how it turned out! Couldn’t have been any worse than last night….

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  36. Just wrote the snarkiest post of my life, but looked above at the “keep it civil” and deleted it. There is no reason to pile on anymore. It would be like shooting yourself in the head while falling off a 20story building. Not gonna change a thing.

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  37. A huge problem is Gallagher doesn’t want to pay for a coach. Enfield wanted X amount and Gallagher said no. Now we except him to buy out Stallings and his staff then pay the buyout for the new coach?

    Some Pitt fans seem proud that there is no money to do the above. The only other option is to hire Crean or Matta since they are sitting at home. You think Gallager is going to meet their demands? He’ll smile and shake his head no.

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  38. This always was and is going to be a bad year. No use complaining about it over and over again. Hope for improvement over the course of the year.

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  39. Seeing the two Philly kids for PSU, Carr and Stevens, and letting PSU snag those two after 13 NCAAs is still perplexing. What was the last staff doing?

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    1. They burned all the bridges in Philly over Jaylen Bond’s forced de-commitment when Khem Birch came earlier than expected Bond never did anything in Austin and eventually left the Longhorns. But the Philly hoops guys saw it a failure of trust and the pipeline all but dried up. Then Birch flakes out in December, and the rest is history. I think you can go back to the Khem Birch experience as the point at which things began going straight downhill for the program.

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  40. one bad year in a highly visible sport like football or basketball will severely damage a school’s brand. The school will receive a drop off in applications. Fewer high quality students will apply. Merchandise sales will tank as well as future tickets sales, The conference will know we dont take sports seriously. Watch for a boot from the ACC if this continues.

    So why build a new arena when its half filled and you’ve got costly maintenance costs. Well Pitt will do what they did with Pitt stadium. They will just eventually let it go. Pitt has always been responsible for lack of attendance because they always seem to hire the wrong coaches. Right coaches – Majors and Sherrill. Right coaches – Dixon
    When the right coaches are hired, you start winning and winning leads to ideas of building bigger and better venues for the fans. Winning draws in fans. Good coaches win

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  41. Upittbaseball posted above: “Ike – If you can turn this one into a positive I will give you a 5K gift card to Giant Eagle”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    We will let the POVer decide if I can do that and here goes.

    That could be the game that gets Stallings fired and you get your wish. << I think I did it! ike

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  42. BigB, that’s a nice thought, opening up The Pete for the homeless, but if they are subjected to about 10 minutes or so of Stallings-ball, I’m sure they’ll be out there quicker than they came in.

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  43. I suspect there is more to Barnes leaving than is publicly known. Something must have happened to cause his rapid exit from the program after so short a time. It is not likely that money for the Athletics Dept. was the cause after they paid out a significant salary to get Stallings and belatedly offered $1 million to Canada. There has to be a reason why Dixon recruited so poorly in his last few years, and somehow this is all related to Barnes leaving and then hiring a relatively inexperienced Lyke to replace him. Can any of the POVers with inside connections connect the dots?

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  44. ike.

    That might just be it!.. Unfortunately, our administration is equal parts incompetent and obtuse, so we’ll have no such luck. No iggle card for you.

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  45. No, Barnes did exactly what all our HCs and ADs have been doing… Used Pitt as a resume builder enroute to better and higher paying jobs.

    Hackett, Harris, Graham, Chryst, Barnes and I’m sure Lyke and Narduzzi’s going to do the same soon also.

    This is what you get when you hire assistants to be in bigger positions at Pitt.

    In no way is Pitt a destination job in any sport.

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    1. I see your point but I’m not sure it’s entirely accurate. Wannstedt had been a head coach in the NFL. Graham was a head coach before. However I was sure he did not unpack when he hit town. McConnell-Serio had been a head coach before in the WNBA and at Duquesne. She has roots in the area. Vidovich (men’s soccer) had been a head coach before. Berenato had been a head coach before and was fairly successful except for her last couple of seasons (which were disasters).

      IMO opinion Wannstedt would still be at Pitt if not for the efforts of Nordenberg and Pederson. I still remember leaving the 2010 WVU game thinking that it would be tough for him to hold his job given the outcome of that game, the way fans had soured on him that season, and all the bad press surrounding the SI article about control within the program.

      IMO Dixon would still be at Pitt if not for Barnes. I don’t buy that Dixon just wanted out. Dixon was headed for Boeheim, Coach K longevity at Pitt.

      I’m honestly not sure why Berenato wasn’t allowed a bit more rope. The women’s bball program has been poor the last two seasons under SMS. I imagine Berenato would have remained too. She was in her 50s when fired.

      What do Wannstedt, Dixon and Berenato have in common? All presided over some of the best, most memorable years of their respective programs in the last 30 years.

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  46. I remember when Penn State could not score 31 points in a game, now they beat Pitt by 31 — what a turn-around. Sad. And to see TCU playing their best basketball in many years and what Wisky is doing in FB. Double Ouch! Or as a famous Pittsburger once said, yoi and double yoi!

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  47. I made the wise decision to stop watching Pitt basketball at the midpoint of last season. I’ve been much happier. Unfortunately, I’m getting close to doing the same with Pitt football.

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  48. Barnes couldn’t go out in public if he were still here.

    Lyke tells us everything we need to know about Pitt’s commitment to sports.

    I am sure she is a nice person, but in way over her head.

    Unbeknownst to her, Pitt has de-emphasized it’s athletic programs again.

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  49. Look no further than our bored with sports Chancellor for the Ills of Pitt FB and BB.

    After his initial burst of ‘school pride’ when hired he has kept a formal and big distance from the Athletic Dept.

    After all anyone who did this; he was the “14th director of the U.S. Department of Commerce’s National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and had served as the Acting United States Deputy Secretary of Commerce.” must be well versed in all issues dealing with athletic endeavors.

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  50. Reed you are wrong about Wlat. Long and nerdy ran him out. he loved pgh and wanted to stay. he effed up with that agent and he admits that was a mistake. I see him at Pitt golf outings a lot. He is a Pitt fan.

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  51. Football thoughts..

    Reed sort of “poo-pooed” the idea of sports as a “front porch” for the University and it’s importance to the student experience. My thought? Maybe that’s because most of us attended Pitt when we were mediocre or worse. Aside from those in school from ’73-’89 or classmates of ike in the ’30’s (just teasing, buddy), most of us can’t identify with winning football teams.. so we diminish it’s importance.

    While I agree I wouldn’t have chosen to go anywhere else, I can tell you I was always envious of friends who were able to enjoy the excitement around a successful (or even competitive) team on fall weekends. As a college kid, it’s pretty damn amazing to sit in a full stadium with fellow classmates cheering equally hard against your opponent as for your team- Hell, I feel that way now. And it does matter..

    Penn State students identify with their team. They have for years. Maybe it’s because there’s nothing else to do in Creepy Valley. But I do know this.. That program defines their college experience. And their post graduation donations show it. It’s not just the sheer number of graduates that generates all those donations. They have a MUCH larger percentage of graduate donations than Pitt. You don’t think those extra dollars might make a difference fat Pitt? Before they became known for football, PSU was a joke agriculture school (still kinda is.. haha) but is now a fairly regarded instituion. Football BUILT that school.

    What about Duke? Look at all of the kids at Cameron Indoor that likely never saw a basketball game in their life before admission (lots of pocket protectors in that crowd), who now camp out for tickets. Why? Because Duke IS basketball. Duke was a great institution long before being good in basketball but did anyone know? Did anyone care?

    Duke and Stanford think sports are important. Chancellor Gallagher “says” he thinks sports are important. Two out of three ain’t bad.

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  52. The hurley boy at Rhode Island turned us down flat. Pitt admin s were shocked we got turned down by 3 or 4 candidates. Barnes panicked . Funny the Scout “hoops school”idiots thought Pitt was a destination job ITS NOT.

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    1. Now both BB and FB has gone sour as a destination for any coach above medium HS grade coach. No decent coach in either sport will come here. Our reputation precedes us. Maybe as a 2 year stepping stone, but that’s it.

      Pitt sports is toast folks….sad to say. RIP

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  53. Did we have good basketball prior to building the Pete or did the winning begin with the Pete…it’s sounds dumb but I don’t follow BB… was the Stadium raised and the Pete built in its place because of BB success and poor FB success…

    I know Fitz was outdated and the stadium was neglected in upkeep….

    Just asking.. I won’t be insulted if I am called a dummy.

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    1. Pitt moved into the Pete for the 2002-2003 season, Howland’s fourth and final at Pitt. The team was 19-4 and 29-6 the prior two years. There’s little dispute the Pete helped grow the program.

      The move to raze the Stadium and build the Pete was not an intentional statement of basketball over football. The school felt both facilities (Fitzgerald and Pitt Stadium) were outdated and felt that building an on-campus, multi-use facility for basketball while “sharing” a brand new NFL stadium would be the most cost effective way to get new homes for both.

      Whether it was the best decision is certainly debatable.

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  54. Pitt stadium was razed because they couldn’t get enough public support to build Heinz. By adding Pitt a public university, to its tenants, the Commonwealth could then justify using public funds to build Heinz. In return for Pitt demolishing the football stadium, Pitt got $30MM from the Commonwealth to build the Pete. The whole thing was a backroom deal between the Governor and the BOT.

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  55. Nerdy and the ruineys conspired to move us to Heinz. you are right ruiney had a perfectly fine football stadium he need Pitt to sell it to the legislature. Nerdy being the ahole he was thought pitt was a hoops school . It never was.

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    1. Actually they became really good when they hired Paul Evans, who coached several of Chipman’s blue chippers like Charles Smith, since Evans had a reputation coaching bigman David Robinson at Navy.
      Pitt won the BIgEast Conference Regular Season Championship in 1987-88 season and reached as high as Number 2 in the polls that year and was in the Top 10 all year.

      Pitt’s best team although was in 1974, where it won 22 straight games and reached the Elite 8 before losing to eventual National Champion, NC State.

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  56. Reed you are wrong . Long and Nerdy literally pushed Wlat out the door. His contract was up. they made zero effort to re sign him He did not bolt he had no contract after 2004 that is precisely what happened. the media pushed for Wlat to be canned too esp Starkey

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  57. Just discussed the Pitt Football Championship Fund with Pat Bostick. Spending of the fund is administered jointly by the Athletic Director and the Head coach. So Pat Narduzzi does not have sole control over that money.

    Now – it would be interesting to see exactly how that money is spent.

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    1. If Narduzzi is smart, he’ll use his portion to get a one way ticket out of Dodge and get a DC job in some Florida school and never entertain the idea to be a HC again.

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  58. I think we all agree. Gallagher and the Administration are not putting the $$$ into athletics that they need to if top 20 programs are the goal.

    So if we are going to bitch, let’s bitch about Gallagher and the BOT.

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  59. By the way, we need to stop comparing Pitt to Penn State. Totally different animal.

    What college in the top 30 has an urban campus with no OCS for football? My guess (I haven’t looked). ZERO

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  60. Reed, I’m not convinced that Barnes jumped for higher pay. He could have built something here in the ACC, whereas he will always be second tier at Big 10 OSU. Also, he had to know that such a short stay at Pitt would hurt his reputation and resume. I still believe there was something else behind it..

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  61. Look the new AD is stuck with decisions that will handcuff her for another couple of years. Pitt simply put can’t buy out Stallings and pay a new coach for at least two more years. Maybe they get lucky with him who knows. But man Pitt BB stinks. When the ACC network revenue kicks in 2019 payable 2020, that money can be used for coaches, buyouts ect. If Narduzzi wins 9 to 10 games in 2019, no question he will be in demand.

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    1. Can Pitt afford to have 5-600 fans at every BB game for 2 more years, not to mention the national black eye it will give the program? In other words, kill the golden goose….

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  62. Reed..I knew there was a POVite who knew that history like the back of his hand and would immediately respond-that saved me the time of having to look it up myself which allowed me to finish my electronic medical so I can get finished and get headed to PA for Thanksgiving and Christmas tree cutting and maybe a little POV tailgating..SHOUT OUT to Jay 91 for the prompt response…Commander-know thy flock…

    It’s been a tough FB season record wise but look at what we have gained from our association through this medium.. so much to be thankful for…Thank you Reed .

    God bless and Happy Thanksgiving yinz-y’all -safe travels if you will be mobile…

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  63. Thanks to the entire POV community and especially Master and Commander Reed. Safe travels to you too Bernie. Hope to see you Friday.

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  64. Ike.
    You’re “positive spin” in my opinion has put Upitt in a serious bind!
    You guys will settle on a $10 gift card settlement, Ike will buy a 6 pack of Iron at Giant Eagle and both sides will be happy for Thanksgiving !

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  65. Goalie44, you may be right about Barnes landing on his feet at OSU, but I’m trying to make some sense out of all this and it just doesn’t add up. There had to be more going on that we don’t know about.

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  66. VoR, you could be on to something…In a relatively short period of time we had a head football coach and an AD bolt after one year at Pitt…Were they the problem or is Pitt the problem?

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  67. Get with the times Upitt. Our Giant Eagle in Latrobe sells wine and beer. You can split the $5000 between both. Cabernet for the wife and a six pack of bud-light for me. ike

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  68. Hey fellow POV fans, last minute illness is keeping me from flying in for the game… 4 tickets, section 108 row BB, on the end of the row. Face value… call if you are interested..678-595-2069 cell #. Sean

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