Are We Accepting Averageness?

For years I have been stating that the University of Pittsburgh’s football program has held a place in the echelons of college football that was sort of like being in limbo.  Setting all the excruciating concise details of that concept aside it basically means we had died and been on the verge of hell forever.

But that was a bit harsh, so I modified my thinking to us being akin to a long-range airship that never had clearance to either land safely nor soar above the clouds – sort of like being on a solar powered dirigible that just kept going around in circles for years no matter how hard the crew tried to make it do something different.

In plain English I feel the program is solidly ensconced in the bottom of the top half of the 128 D1 football teams in America.  We hover between the 32-64 team rankings almost every week of every year we play football. Almost every week that is.

Some seasons we do rise above that – this year was one of them. Last year was also, at least for a while. But we never seem to be able to make that sustained push to get us into the Top 20 rankings on any sort of regular basis.  This remains the case with numerous changes in head coaches, staff coaches, athletic Directors and Chancellors… no matter how good or bad they are; how well-liked or hated,  it stays about the same.

Here is the last 12 years of Pitt football with the weekly AP polls listed:

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Take special note as to the number of times we were ranked during the season as opposed to the end of the year.  Seven times we were in the Top 25 during the playing weeks – only twice were we after the final game.  Does that sound familiar?  It should – it just happened over the last two years.

But this year we were poised to do something really good and let it slip away again.  Now, people who know me from here or on the Blather or a long time ago on the message boards might be surprised to hear me say that – given my thoughts that an eight win season is about what Pitt is good for.

But things change year-to-year and during every week during the football season.  And in this season I watched our kids come out and start scoring points like it was going out of style. After the Penn State game I thought to myself that this could be one of those magical seasons where dreams start to come true and we rise above our less-than lofty historical heights.

We put up 60 points in our first two games and that was with a James Conner who wasn’t in true form yet and with a lopsided emphasis on the running game anyway.  I felt that once Peterman was allowed to start airing it out and Conner regained his beast mode then the sky would be the limit.

Unfortunately no one told Josh Conklin and the defense that. So we watched Pitt score points galore and then start to lose games – back to back against OK State and North Carolina where we gave up 81 points in two matches.

That started a trend where we were forced to have our offense maintain an almost unreasonable level of point production to win games because we allowed an unheard of amount of points at same time.

I put that there for a reason and not just to ruin your day. What we have seen lately is a bit of a resurgence in the program under Pat Narduzzi who was hired over the 2014-5 off-season to inject some desperately needed energy and excitement into the program.  He’s done that so far although I think he’s supplemented it a little bit more with off-field tools (twitter, internet, videos, dog and pony shows) than he has on the field of play.

But his on the field accomplishments need to be given real credit also.  Last year he broke through the seven win barrier by going 8-5; this season he replicated that record but had also sterling wins against our rival Penn State at home then against the eventual national Champs Clemson in Death Valley.

Let’s applaud him for that as that is something this program has needed in a big way. 

But the fact of life in college ball though, at least on the national scale and with the national polls is a loud and strong “What have you done lately?” and with Pitt that meant our ending the season with a resounding thud in our bowl game.

If anyone on here thinks that Pinstripe bowl game and the 9th win it would have represented wasn’t important as any of the regular season games, even Clemson and Penn State, they are mistaken.

A 9th win would have put us in the Top 20 (not just Top 25 but Top 20) instead of “receiving votes” and it would have given us real and viable national recognition across the board.

We all saw how long that Clemson win stayed in the national conversation – less than a month because no one talked about it during the championship game run-up hardly at all. It wasn’t mentioned during the actual game once.

We fans love that upset win but it was truly old news to the rest of the college football world by the time the championship game rolled around.  But had Pitt finished up around  #19 or maybe even better, at the end of the season? That makes people sit up and take notice.

Going into that bowl game we were at #22 and were trending upward.  A win would have given us something we have done only once in 14 years when we were #15 back in 2008,  then again way back to 2002 when we were #19 at season’s end.

That bowl loss was a huge blow for us and to think it wasn’t, to minimize it as I’m hearing Pitt fans do now,  is truly SOP in my opinion.  It was a chance at real national recognition, better recruiting leverage and would have had us going into the off-season with three win’s momentum.  All of which are vitally important to a program trying to shed it’s rather mediocre past reputation.

Instead all I hear about the bowl game now is that is was a ho-hum minor bowl, unimportant really and good only for the extra practices for the kids (seriously, I just read someone allude to that)… when nothing is farther from the truth.

It was a chance to be what fans have wanted us to be for years – nine wins again, with real and sustained progress shown in the win column. It would have been a break in our bowl game losing streak,  a record which now stands at 1-5 over the last six bowls, and a chance to be more highly ranked than we have been in a long time.  Not just at this season’s end but we would have been ranked above much higher going into next season also.

Funny thing this defeatist attitude. Everyone hates the phrase Same Old Pitt until we slip into it again, then they make a million excuses for why it happens.  But it really isn’t the loss itself that is SOP – it is our fan’s post-game attitudes in that we’ll just gloss over the importance of the game itself and act like it was no big deal to, again, end a season on a definite down note.

After all, we’ve done it so many times before. Well, we get what we wish for, don’t we?

Walking into Heinz Field on the Saturday after our great Clemson win and seeing all those empty seats should have slapped me in the face with the truth behind Pitt football.  No one really gives a crap except to talk about the program and the team.

Everything else on the majority of the fans’ part is just window dressing and blown smoke.  Average?  Sure, we’ll take it, as long as we don’t have to actually do anything to help make the program better… like actually sitting in seats for a game you already paid for.  That would be a damned good start.

 

 

189 thoughts on “Are We Accepting Averageness?

  1. Geez, Reed. Beating Clemson is supposed to instantly translate into all the seats being filled the next week? We are an urban-based school, not one located in the middle of nowhere. We compete for the limited number of dollars that people can spend to attend events. Until we can capture those dollars and fill the seats, I would love to see us giving tickets to kids, veterans, police, etc.

    H2P

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  2. Are we going to hear about our bowl loss until August when fall camp arrives? Consider this … we haven’t won a bowl game vs a P5 opponent since after the 2010 season. The only bowl game we did win since was versus a MAC team who couldn’t tackle James Conner if their lives depended on it.

    Versus Northwestern, we lost:

    1) our 2nd best defensive player for the entire game
    2) our star RB and inspirational leader late in the 2nd quarter, and
    3 & 4) our All-American OG and starting QB late in the 3rd quarter

    Yet, we still took the lead in the 4th quarter .

    Is there any other team that could have absorbed all of these losses, and won their bowl game?

    The answer is a big fat NO!!!!

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  3. I don’t know that we are accepting averageness (is that a word?) but we sure expect it because it is the norm.

    Just when things are looking really good we have the flop in New York. Something we have all come to expect. Just the thing to take the luster off of what was an excellent season. Just the thing to take the momentum away from the program.

    I have been sharing my concern over this years recruiting which has to be much better than average if we want to get better. Three weeks left to improve the class. This is the most important thing to get done if we are to break through our average ceiling. We had the players that made big plays on offense, not enough big plays on defense. Coaches are only as good as the players they recruit.

    Attendance for Duke and Syracuse was disappointing but expected, the season was front loaded, lots of season tickets sold to PSU fans, and to corporate interests. Duke and Syracuse plus crummy weather don’t have the entertainment value that Pittsburgh Sports Fans are willing to support.

    Hopefully, the new AD will be more creative in marketing to people that will actually attend.

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  4. The Duke game attendance is the greatest example of what the problem is at Pitt. That was a total disgrace and slap in the face of every player and coach, I thought Pitt would lose because of it when I sat down in my seat IN HEINZ FIELD. Credit Narduzzi for getting the players to ignore the yellow. Until our “fans” step up things will never change. It sure was cold for the last 2-3 Steeler games yet I saw a pretty full stadium, even for the Cleveland game so cold as an excuse is lame.

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  5. The AD can only do so much. We finished in the Top 10 from ’76 thru ’82 but still could walk up to the ticket window before any game where the opponent wasn’t PSU, WVU or ND and buy a ticket …. AT OUR OCS!

    Miami had the same issues back in the 80s and 90s .. and of course, still do. The only relief for us would be to plant a bomb in the Stiller locker room …. and still that would only be temporary.

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  6. I just don’t see us ever filling Heinz. Maybe we can sell the tickets, but we won’t put butts in the seats. There aren’t more than 35,000 to 40,000 or so fans that are going to come to Pitt games against teams like Duke, Marshall, Syracuse, Virginia, etc. Probably a few less than that in crummy weather. Even if we are a highly-ranked, winning team, you might get 45,000 to 50,000. That’s it.

    We get higher attendance when ND, PSU, WVU play here — because they bring thousands of their own fans. The casual Pitt may also show up for those games. But the casual Pitt fan isn’t coming to Syracuse or Duke. Sorry.

    People keep talking about that Cincinnati game (I still have nightmares of Mardy Gilyard). But Cinncy brought how many of their own fans to that one.

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  7. Pitt will never sell out Heinz except for the biggest events. So an effort needs to be made to get the fans that do attend closer to the field, instead of in the upper deck. Flip the home field so the TV cameras focus on the stands that are filled. Perception is important. Put the student section behind the team bench.

    Canvas the upper decks, It is not brain surgery. It is just laziness by the athletic department not to address these issues.

    We need an AD with a brain, not someone that brags about season tickets, when everyone knew the truth.
    Not an AD that disparages Pitt Fans at a press conference. We need someone that will actually make improvements to the game day experience and actively work to improve attendance.

    Forty five thousand people in the lower bowl would look a lot better than spread out over a 70,000 seat stadium. Figure out the logistics and make it happen. Do the work and quit being lazy.

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  8. A lot of good points made, I don’t see Pitt having a full stadium unless they play an old rival that has a traveling fan base.

    Correct me if I’m wrong but the only ACC team that brings a good quantity of fans is VT?

    Pitt competes for entertainment dollar and yes we are 4th on the pole behind the pro teams.

    They need an OCS 45,000 seat stadium but I can’t see it happening because of the financial commitment.

    As stated earlier Pitt stadium for 55 million could have been domed and upgraded with luxury boxes in the late 80’s to early 90’s. They missed the opportunity at a reasonable price and passed.

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  9. I’m not sure it is as simple as tarping off the upper decks. How much revenue does Pitt get from selling tickets up in those areas? Yes, having a more intimate stadium would create a better environment for college football and make the atmosphere better. But Pitt is also using football to maximize the dollars coming in to the athletic department. Selling 55,000 season tickets, including 20,000+ in the upper decks, brings in revenue — even if a large percentage of those people don’t show up to the games.

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  10. Not sure the limitations should have worn out on the Pinstripe loss. It was only two weeks ago. In fairness, who was Pitt’s best defensive player? Assuming Whitehead and I don’t think that was true in 2016. BTW I happen to think Galambos was Pitt’s best defensive player in the Pinstripe. Pitt played without its star running back last season and still had a 1000 yard rusher.

    I think the point of this post is spot on. Pitt has not consistently been regarded very well. Much of that is due to the team and their performance in seasons when chances were available. Pitt had multiple chances to punch NW in the first half of the Pinstripe and failed (fumble, slip, interception). Then in the second half with fumble, missed FG and dropped TD pass. They also surrendered career yardage on the ground.

    I think pointing out the earlier bowl failures underscores the larger point that Pitt can’t just aspire, the team needs to execute on the field. Tanking to Navy last year. Blowing a huge lead to Houston. Failing to show against Ole Miss and SMU. Pitt even struggled to beat Bowling Green in Detroit.

    Pitt had a backloaded home schedule with a real chance to win the coastal in 2015 and then lost to ND, Miami and UNC playing from behind after poor first half showings.

    In 2014 Pitt fumbled on its first four possessions against a very good GT team (#12) and played from four touchdowns down as a result. Fumbles aside Pitt had a great chance to win that game. They had a chance to beat a very good Duke team (#24 at the time) the next game and missed a FG to win in regulation. Pitt also lost to Akron in 2014.

    In 2010 Pitt was ranked #19 and was completely blown out by Miami at home. Pitt had a chance for the Big East title and blew a clinching game to UConn, then completely botched a home game to WVU. The sad end to the DW era.

    In 2009 Pitt had a chance to win the Big East at home and lost to Cincy (Still one of the greatest games I’ve seen). They seemed disinterested (I was there) in losing to WVU in Morgantown the preceding game. Had they beaten WVU they may have reached the Top 10.

    Carpe Diem!

    I honestly expected the poor turnout for the Duke and Syracuse games even after the Clemson victory. For the record I attended both with all my seats filled. The weather was bad for Duke and that team wasn’t good this season. Syracuse just doesn’t feel like a rivalry even though cast as one. Syracuse was also a poor team and the game was on Thanksgiving weekend. In the end if Pitt ever regularly exceeds expectations and then consistently meets them, fans will show up regardless of the Steelers, Penguins or Pirates. That is actually the reason that people pay attention to the Steelers and Penguins even in down years. The teams have sometimes exceeded expectations and have consistently met those for years.

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  11. How about a program in which a person with a ticket, who cannot attend a game, can donate it for use by a kid, veteran, cop, EMT, etc? Make tickets available free for all local high school football teams, their coaches, their cheerleaders, etc.

    What did Randy Juhl say last year, something like “If we can develop the polio vaccine and CPR, we can do this.”

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  12. Barvo, FWIW, I disagree with just about everything you wrote.

    1st off, I said ‘2nd’ best defensive player. On the long TD where Northwestern retook the lead in the 4th, do you think Whitehead would have completely whiffed on the tackle like Briggs did? What a pathetic attempt! I really hate to cut up a college player who are out there trying their best … but Briggs, Webb and a few others (and a few others) are not P5 players, as proven a large handful of times this year. And that goes for pass coverage, tackling, taking proper angles, etc You can only teach so much.

    In the GT game in 2014, do you really think it was only the fumbles? GT had 465 yards rushing, and over 600 yards total offense … and scored 53 points, all the while still playing the back-ups almost the entire 4th quarter.

    In 2010, the 19th pre-season ranking was fool’s gold. Go back and look …. Pitt returned 11 starters that year (the least i the BE) while UConn and WVU returned 17 and 18 respectively. The only reason Pitt was ranked pre-season was because they finished 15th the year before.

    I do agree that more people will show up if Pitt continually exceeds expectations, but for some reason, expectations remain very high for Pitt despite all of the SOP screw-ups.

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  13. Nice chart there Reed with the past PITT football season won/lost records. I couldn’t help but notice the 3 best years recently were the years 2008-2010 and what did PITT do? They fired the coach that’s what. Even many fans were talking that Wanny should go. There is your SOP. Oh, and then they hired a couple of nimrods to make sure they buried the program.

    and that dam bowl game? Some of you just don’t want to let that go, why? Because Stocker didn’t play? All of a sudden this guy is the great PITT savior? Where was he all season if he was so great.

    Georgie Aston inexplicably slipped down while waltzing into the endzone after a tackle reverse pass attempt. Nice call for the outgoing Canada. Next drive PITT has first and goal and NP throws an interception on 2nd down.

    After all this plus two terrible non-calls that take out the QB and RB, PITT still takes the lead. I don’t remember ever watching a game like that let alone SOP.

    BTW, I think Jarrett was the second best defensive player this year.

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  14. Pitt finally the right administration in place to make a move in the college football world along with a coach who understand the QB position pretty well for being a defensive guy.

    As for settling for being average. Those fans want 85 choir boys on the roster along with not wanting to play the dirty recruiting games have to accept being average because that’s the best you can do under those circumstances. Asking for anything more is hypocritical. Sadly, Pitt has these kinds of fans.

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  15. I received a postcard from the NCAA Student-Athlete Concussion Injury Litigation today. Fortunately I was never concussed in my sport. Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens.

    How will this affect College Sports moving forward?

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  16. Forgot to add: PITT is already in the top 25 for next year. Why don’t we chew on that instead of one over-rated loss in a lowly thought of bowl game.

    and, I’m not saying I didn’t badly want to win that game at all but that’s over for me…moving on…

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  17. Ike – when the time comes that we don’t talk about what has happened in the past with Pitt football – whether it be two weeks or 40 years is the time we all should turn off our computers, phones and just not discuss Pitt at all.

    But to your question about Stocker – you really should rephrase it to read if DiNucci was any damn good why wasn’t he the QB2 all year? Why wasn’t he practicing with the 1st and 2nd string offenses instead of running the scout team squads – which he did all season long.

    Why didn’t DiNucci take some snaps in real action during the season if he fits into future plans? it wouldn’t have cost any eligibility, he already had a redshirt year. He didn’t because the staff felt he was the 3rd best option (at best) for the whole regular season. I’ll go as far as to say that if Peterman got hurt and Stocker was out earlier in the 1st half of the season I believe the staff would have burned MacVitte’s redshirt before playing DiNucci

    Truthfully, I think there was something else going on with the staff and Stocker because everyone I talked to at the game and since then can’t figure out that QB personnel move at all – except for you.

    You just do not use a bowl game that might get you a 9th win and a highest ranking we have had in decades just to get a scrub some practice snaps. You do that when you are 6-6 or something and the bowl game is just a fun trip for the kids.

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  18. Hold on, I don’t mean to imply that all things PITT shouldn’t be discussed here and/or everywhere. I’ll be sure to alter my replies so that they don’t give off that impression. To me it’s more about the negative focus over that one game, that when you think about it was very bizarre.

    About DiNucci? I’m betting that I’m right on that decision to sit down an outgoing backup QB over a returning player. Plus calling Ben a scrub is a little harsh wouldn’t you say? The other difference being early games vs later on games. The slanted reviews on Ben’s play are very biased depending on what point one is trying to convey..I thought he played OK.

    ******* I hope we never see DiNucci start though but you never know. Now Reed, this coming off the heels of your LAST article about QB’s transferring out. Think about that for a second…isn’t this the type of thing you were talking about? and wouldn’t it stand to reason that maybe this was also in the back of Narduzzi’s mind by giving the kid some quality snaps in extra practices? You’re almost arguing against yourself there…:) ……………….ike

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  19. OK – Manny Stocker has the exact same pedigree as hometown favorite Thomas MacVitte has. Stocker was a Rival’s 3* QB recruit who had offers from NC State, Cincinnati, Temple, Eastern Michigan and Virginia Military.

    Gee – put those up against MacVitte’s Pitt, Miami, OH, Cincinnati and a single 30 second phone call from LSU and you see there isn’t a hell of a lot of on-paper separation there. Actually Stocker’s offers are better you could say.

    DiNucci was a 2* kid and take a look at his offers before Pitt threw him a hometown bone later in the recruiting season:

    https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/8434

    Of course in reality Stocker has at least played in a game, has been named QB2 and taking practice snaps for a full year so I’d say that he has something going for him as a back-up QB. Which is exactly what MacVitte will be next season.

    I’m not saying Stocker is a great QB but I watched him throw a few times in passing drills just as I saw DiNucci in drills and I could see why Stocker was chosen as the #2 and DiNucci wasn’t.

    It makes no difference to me what position Stocker was brought into Pitt to play – he was returned to QB for a reason and stayed there for 95% of the season. James Conner was a DE recruit; Gonzalez a QB recruit — players move around to fill needs.

    So what does that say about DiNucci that not only did the staff take a WR and place him above DiNucci on the depth chart but kept him there all year? My point all along is that was a very strange substitution to happen in a game that important – at least important in my eyes.

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  20. Pitt winning 8 games and beating PSU and Clemson certainly was NOT SOP.

    It is SOP fans only. Not showing up for games and continuously bitching.

    Pitt needs to go 9 wins and up in the future. Period.

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  21. Reed
    I don’t get the obsession with the Stocker thing. It really doesn’t matter. No one knows if Stocker would have played better. I highly doubt it. He certainly would not have made the TD pass Ben made. Narduzzi is going to play the QB that gives us the best chance to win. Period. It was DiNucci. It isn’t some big conspiracy.

    Obviously DiNucci took lots of the snaps in the weeks leading up to the bowl game so he played. Maybe they had some live scrimmages for the guys that didn’t play this year and Ben outplayed Stocker. Maybe Stocker made zero improvements over the course of the year and DiNucci made huge strides.

    The point is, none of us truly know what happened in practice and in the locker room throughout the year and in the weeks leading up to the bowl game. Only the coaches know.

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  22. But apparently, Stocker didn’t remain there. On TV, and I’m sure some here will back this up, the announcers said that despite what the depth chart shown, they were told by the Pitt coaches that DiNucci had become the 2nd teamer.

    Anyone who was watching TV …. can you confirm this?

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  23. Notrocket @ 12:48 …. a big +1.

    And sadly, I am as guilty as anyone … I did not make the 2 hour trip for the Duke game but instead stayed home and watched it.

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  24. I can’t stand when Pitt loses a bowl game that it doesn’t matter and it is “just an exhibition” to some fans.

    Baloney. Pitt was playing for nine wins, a final ranking and for its seniors. What happens? A 10-0 lead was wide open and Aston slipped and fell. The end result was Northwestern goes 99 yards and seized momentum. Aston’s slip is emblematic with the problems this program has been facing for decades now. Players, no matter how good they are off and on the field, fail to step up and make plays far too often.

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  25. Predicted 2017 Pitt home game attendance
    YSU: 47,168
    OK St: 53,491
    Rice: 43,246
    Miami: 45,116
    Virginia: 37,308
    NC St: 40,720
    NC: 44,552

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  26. Averageness can be tied to cash flow. Simple as that.

    According to tax records filed by the AAC/Big East for 2012-13, Pitt got $10.2 million.

    In 2013-14, Pitt received approximately $18.9M from the ACC.

    In 2014-15 Pitt received $25M from the ACC. 11th out of 14 teams.

    We have achieved averageness because our athletic cash flow has been average at best. The SEC pulled in over $32M per team in 14-15. That does not take into consideration other revenue streams from vendors. I would like to know the “Real” number we get from all sources. We will never see that however. Another Higher Ed trick to confuse the lawmakers so we keep state and federal funding consistent.

    The Administration will never understand the concept of investment into your major athletic programs today will turn into multiples of that investment in the years that follow. That is why OCS must be considered if we ever want to grow the university into something big. If we want to stay average, not a problem. Just say it.

    Back to athletics. For the funds we get, we are above averageness in recent results in football. I am trying to figure out how our spending went through the roof as soon as we found some riches, compliments of the ACC. We went from a 10M payout in 2012-13 to $25M in 2014-15. Why haven’t we put aside $3-5M per year to start funding an OCS with our new average riches? In 10 years, you would be ready to break ground with a $50m fund already in place. Please stop with a billion dollar cost estimate. For a 45k stadium, it is under $300m. Put it down by the bridge.

    I always tell my customers that if you want me to build you a “C” program, it will cost you blank. If you want an “A” program, it will cost you blank+. It is an Administrative decision and our has failed in this respect for the last 30 years.

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  27. It is what it is – to use that horrible, but appropriate, hackneyed phrase.

    I’m an old timer, undergrad during Dorsett, grad school during Marino. I was there at the ’77 Sugar Bowl, so deep in the recesses of my aging brain, I have fantasies of Pitt as a national power again.

    But then I snap back to reality and realize that just isn’t in the cards. There are too many headwinds. Smallish fanbase, playing in a pro town, competition for recruits etc etc we all know the list. Yeah, all those yellow seats look awful, but I simply refuse to get too upset about it.

    So does that make me too accepting of “average?” I drive up from Hagerstown most weekends. I was in Annapolis and in the Bronx (and really disappointed particularly with the Pinstripe). I think I do my part. I can only control what I do.

    So I concentrate on enjoying what I can – wearing my Pitt gear, tailgates with old friends, seeing some special players and special football moments, being back in my hometown for a while.

    Is this is wrong way to feel about things? Perhaps I should be more upset. Perhaps I’m just too old or jaded, but it’s all fine with me. I will admit that it would be nice before I get too old to attend that we see double-digit wins and a warm-weather bowl.

    But until then, it is what it is. Is it really that bad?

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  28. Here is an aerial view of the $3.07M home that Alabama boosters bought for Saban in 2013.

    BigB, you appear to have the biggest pockets here. What do ya think? Make us an A program.

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  29. wwb..I do magnets and flags but not mansion building for over-paid coaches. Nor would I support a program that wants to win at all costs.
    A little story When looking at financing retirement,everything I have been told or have read by experts suggest taking no more than 4% out a year of personnel retirement savings. Now these coaches are state employees- a few years back there was a bit of a retirement $$ scandal with an employee working in the state liquor. In one of the articles Deans Smith’s yearly state retirement gave him over $200.000 per year. The highest paid retiree in the NC state retirement system. Using the 4% figure that means he was drawing off the sum of $5,000,000 of the state system if one equates it one equates it to the private sector- a basketball coach…Would love to see what ole Nicky boy will retire with..

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  30. Don’t play in a rented dogshit stadium that has no connection to Pitt or campus other than a banner with a Dinocat and a 50 yd logo that looks like Mrs. Jones 3rd grade class painted it on recess.

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  31. Spend some money you cheap Administration. Brissel Bob as a Hoops coach is SOP. Guy is gone in 2 years if we hire a real AD or let Barnes collect two checks and use us.

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  32. Some random thoughts on a warm, but dreary day:

    1) Ben DeNuccinshould never have to play QB for Pitt. May be a great kid, but after watching him many times in HS kid is not a D1 player. Sorry, but true.

    2) Building an OCS or one in Hazelwood.
    a) Upitt, please post a single picture of any OCS your company has done with the topographical challenges presented by these sites. Hard by a huge hill and a river with one way in and out may be a great place for a defensive fort, but not so much for a ball field. It’s easy when land is flat or rolling hills. The rivers, coal mines, and hills which helped our city and region to prosper now limit its development in the 21st century.
    b) have any of you been up Bates Street lately?? If so you know what I mean. Second Ave, the Parkway, SH tunnels. In my opinion it’s not the bucks for the stadium, is the infrastructure costs.
    c) I will forgive those who are not from a 15 square mile radius of Pittsburgh, but yinzers DO not cross bridges, go thru tunnels, or up hills for any reason. We are a series of very, very, provincial villages, never to mix.
    d) having a field near SS will do nothing for on campus visiting. Might as well be on the North Side. Easy to say build incline or people mover. 20k people 200 at a time?? About the most effective transportation system to a game I personally have seem that is similar is U of Washington, and that is really different geographically.
    e) Schenley park can never be touched, by law, so quit that now, sorry.
    f) These are just some of the reasons I hate Steve Peterson, he took our soul, and it will never come back.

     Eventually, the BOT will die off and be replaced. Those who have new attitudes will gradually take over. For better or worse, I don't know, but the generations upon generations of the SOP, to me are the BOT and administration, not necessarily the fans. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
    

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  33. Heinz is a dump. That is a real problem. If it was built properly it would not be as bad for Pitt.
    O T How long was Canada at NC State? Game planning against Clemson every year had to give us a leg up this year.

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  34. Reed +1

    Admin or lack of vision is to blame.

    You don’t create a connection and reason then you don’t create fans.

    Might as well play in New Kensington or Uniontown or Little Washington. If you aren’t on campus then it doesn’t matter. Buy the land next to Hot Metal and expand Campus. Grow a campus down there new bars and places to eat and apartments. Again, zero vision and just reasons not to.

    Alabama sucked in football before Saban. Someone got fed up and they made a investment. 4 National Championships in 8 years. Spend money and shit happens.

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